| ▲ | gumby 3 hours ago |
| Whats’s the monopoly in this case? In general, whatever else one can say about Apple, it’s hard to see them having a monopoly in anything. Apple phones are about 1/3 of all phones in use; Apple laptops are well less than 20% of all laptops (bigger than I would have guessed), their VR headsets in use might crack three digits (OK, an exaggeration, but could there be more than 100K actually in image? I doubt it), etc. Same is true in software and services (does anyone use iMessage outside the US?), and every place that takes Apple Pay takes Google too, nd most also take Samsung; many countries just use QR codes. |
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| ▲ | braiamp 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The monopoly is access to a market, the market of iOS/iMac users. When someone uses their monopolistic power to restrict the way that others have access to certain users that is still using their monopoly power, just that some books are too old to consider such usage of the power of monopoly. |
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| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah...everyone wants access to the Apple ecosystem market, because... ...anyone? ...Bueller? Apple customers are a very lucrative demographic. People that sell Apple apps, stand to make a lot of money; even if they have to pay 15% (unless they make over a mill). But the reason that all those Apple customers love Apple (and they do; even if HN participants don't), is because of that walled garden and restrictive policy stuff. So, if we destroy that, we are likely to also destroy the reason that so many people want access to the Apple ecosystem. It's very much human nature, at work, here. <img href="/person_sawing_off_branch_hes_sitting_on.png" /> | | |
| ▲ | stale2002 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > So, if we destroy that Nobody has to destroy anything. If you want to keep using your Apple Approval Stamped stuff, nobody wants to stop you from doing that on your own. Instead, people are saying that other people should be free to do what they want with their devices that they own. Thats all. Keep your Apple Safe Mode On devices, just stop trying to sabotage other people's attempts to choose otherwise. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but what people want, and they say it, in the comments above, is access to Apple customers. That's different from "doing what I want on my own device." |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > So, if we destroy that, we are likely to also destroy the reason that so many people want access to the Apple ecosystem. By this same logic, United States v. Microsoft Corp. should be overturned instantaneously. Microsoft Windows was the most popular operating system in the world, and the court forced Microsoft to take actions that the majority of Windows users did not agree to when they bought their PC. By reaching in and micromanaging Microsoft's ecosystem, the US destroyed the reason that users trusted Microsoft's operating system over their competitors. What makes iOS customers special, that their ecosystem can't be destroyed while Microsoft's can? Both are accruing market damages. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | They have a lot of money, compared to more budget-conscious customers, and they are used to paying more. Makes for an attractive customer base. I know that there have been a number of studies, that found Apple apps make a great deal more money, per app, than Android ones (I'm sure there are special outliers in both camps, though). I make free apps. In my case, it has nothing to do with "snobbery." I've just been doing it for most of my adult life, so I'm invested in the platform, like many of us do. I also enjoy working in a challenging environment. I've learned to adapt. | |
| ▲ | NamlchakKhandro 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Snobbery. |
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| ▲ | GodelNumbering 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Coercive/ecosystem level monopoly. They may not control the whole market but they strongly control their own ecosystem and extract rents. Surely you know how many lawsuits are currently active against them for this reason. |
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| ▲ | carlosjobim 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Everything which a company I don't like might do is a monopoly, and that's why I rage like Pavlovs dog any time the name is mentioned. It's very important people know my opinion on everything and everyone. |
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| ▲ | rfghy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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