  if an owner decides they are uncomfortable with the data sharing described within them, they are faced with (arguably) unfair choices:
  - 01 accept the agreements regardless of their concerns
  - 02 stop using their car's connected-vehicle features - which includes remote start, the app, and other very useful features
  - 03 stop using the vehicle entirely

Easy, I take #2. Is that it? This whole time I thought the article was talking about telemetry the car sends regardless.

▲ technothrasher an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I have essentially gone with option 2 in my Audi A3. Every time I turn the car on, it puts up a dialog that warns me that I've made the terrible, terrible decision to not allow remote data and forces me to say, "no, do not turn it on for me now," before I can do anything else on the screen. Every, single, time.

	▲	eitally 31 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This, but worse, happened with my inlaws when they purchased a new Lexus (IIRC, a 2025 RX350). It has whatever kind of built in navigation & traffic feature but they wanted to use Android Auto. You can do that, but not until after you go through Lexus' vehicle/driver registration process to enable their built in system. If you don't, not only will neither AA nor CarPlay work, but if you try to use the built in nav it will fail with a superimposed modal after a couple of minutes to nag you into creating an account.
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	▲	mahboi 37 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Disappointing but not surprising. Those touchscreen interfaces are usually full of nags. I liked the Versa I rented recently cause its "low-end" radio system was the only thing that let me listen to the damn radio without jumping through hoops. Toyota's is an L even though their cars are better otherwise.

▲ hollow-moe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like #2 prevents the spying. Let's ask some smart TV brands executives their opinion on the matter.

	▲	TheBozzCL 33 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		"We own the infotainment system" I've thought about what I can possibly do if I ever need to buy a modern car. Bring my own cell phone tower spoofer? Threaten to not buy the car if they don't disconnect the antennas first? It's good that these things are starting to catch the public's interest. Gamers' Nexus' exposé on LG TVs. The lawsuits against car manufacturers for selling driving data (indirectly) to insurance companies. The pushback against Flock. I wonder what else is needed to actually move the needle globally. I see a good sign in that Gen Alpha seems to find using disconnected devices to be trendy. I hope it's a trend that stays long term.
	▲	mahboi an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Smart TVs need wifi to be smart though. The cars have cell modems.

▲ pluc 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

On top of that you must never take it for servicing at a dealership since that's another point they can do a data export if your car isn't always-on.