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▲ Fuck Android Developer Verification Program(twitter.com)
175 points by 0xcrypto 3 hours ago | 49 comments
▲monegator 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I just recently reopened an account that was closed due to inactivity.

Lucky me i manage different accounts, because the new way to get help for developers is to do that through play console.

But if your account is suspended, you get always redirected to a page that tells you the account is suspended.

Looking at other ways to get to the help portal.... when you select you need help for developers, yep you're redirected.

So because i have another developer account, i could open a support ticket. I had to write the same message to the fucking bot at least three times, which was funny because the answer was more or less a rephrasing of my message, and every time it would add the rephrasing again, and again.

At the fourth time something must have happened because it was escalated, and then i had my account back.

I was actually open to making a new account, which i wrote several times, it's only that i needed to get back the app IDs because you know, the app is installed in places.

Now, it's the first of october and i have constant nagging for unregistered package names on another account: this is for apps that are suspended for bullshit reasons, which i can't reinstate because the bot is in loop mode around the same wrong rule violation (like: i can't make a basic / pro version of my app now? pro version is too simillar so it must be blocked?) and i can't register the package name because it's suspended, an i can't reinstate it because loop. I can't delete it because it's suspended, an i can't reinstate it because loop.

Fucking brillant!

▲bramhaag 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My account got closed for inactivity while I had multiple apps published. Google does not understand the concept of a finished app apparently, and requires you to continuously push updates or else you permanently lose your account with no way of reopening it.

▲realharo 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I have just one app I published way back in 2014 or so, and I think there were only 2 updates (only counting changes that required uploading new builds) since then that were like "do this or we're taking the app down".

One of them was requiring a privacy policy, even for a fully offline game that doesn't even have the internet permission. The other one was having to update the target platform version if I remember correctly.

▲maybewhenthesun 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They do the same with youtube accounts. My parents lost a ton a family movies that way. No warning either, just poof -> gone.

▲Teever 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

The worst part is that they probably didn't delete the data and are using it to train models.

▲vrganj 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gotta drive engagement bro! Line must go up!

▲ur-whale 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> requires you to continuously push updates

Sounds like a perfect job to automate by an always-on LLM.

▲cube00 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got a Google survey this week.

Which of the following are the reasons you chose Google Play related issues as one of the weaknesses?

The second option, written by Google was:

- Sudden account termination without actionable feedback or clear restoration guidance

They know they're killing accounts without due process, they don't care, why would they? They're the only game in town now the Android Developer Verification Program is in force.

▲myaccountonhn 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

The person creating the survey might be trying to gather data to raise with management.

▲SillyUsername an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It gets better, I too had my account closed for inactivity, but I STILL get emails from them I can't stop because I can't log in to change email preferences.

▲cosmotic 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's illegal. No private right of action though. Gotta go through your ISP or FTC, assuming you're in the USA.

▲4pkjai 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got banned from Google Admob (or whatever it is called now) and they still send me promotional emails.

▲binsquare 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Almost sounds like one of the intentional product decisions

▲sharts 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s Googlers on HN reading these who could probably fix this but won’t.

▲mertbio 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Unless you offer them a promotion ;)

▲dariosalvi78 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the browser is the best tool we have now to fight the duopoly and its absurd rules.

Funnily, or depressingly, a lot of people here on HN are against the browser, either because "the UI doesn't look native" or because of security/privacy issues, with regular apps shipping with hundreds of MB or spyware you have no control of.

Let's push for the browser to become more feature rich, more secure and more universal. Or maybe for another OS altogether?

▲est 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The question is: does Android Developer Verification Program actually help improving the .apk app store experience?

Probably not. Google is notoriously bad at customer support (for both devs and consumers)

▲monksy 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They also love keeping malware apps on the play store as well. I tried reporting an app that took over one of my parents phone. It stayed up for quite a while. I'm sure it's still up.

▲wg0 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Euqally - there should be a way to recover your account.

▲watwut 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"App store experience" was continually degrading. I used to be able to find small apps and games I liked a lot and basically binge downloading. The last few times I tried, I ended up with nothing useable.

▲vrganj 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It helps centralize control over what was advertised to be an open OS.

Wait, what was the question again?

▲shams93 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fortunately PWA are well supported on android, half the apps on my phone are PWA and I didn't need an app store or hacking my device to install them. But I moved from native android to PWA after having hellish issues with their automated developer nightmare system.

▲ninalanyon 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Can PWAs operate with local data? Can they interact with data from anywhere in the file system?

▲Aldipower 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

yes, with the File System API, it needs user permission though (which is a good thing).

▲pjmlp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Except WebGL isn't really OpenGL ES, and WebGPU will never be like Vulkan as well, so games still need to be native.

Now if it is plain old CRUD style application, many that are webviews packaged as APK, sure.

https://progressier.com/what-web-can-do-today

▲i_idiot 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, fuck Android though I have to use an Android phone(and I don't want fucking Apple either). I pulled my hobby game from play store because they won't just let it be. Some new regulation now and then and threats to disable the app.

▲rawoke083600 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly, I agree!

I paid my fee - $20 or $25, I can’t quite remember - but when I couldn’t reliably enter or find my physical home address via Google Maps because of some weird street-name issues, I never got to complete the process!

▲onimishra an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Had the exact same thing. Developed a small game, pushed it to iOS without much fanfare (well, other than having to pay the insanely high toll to get into the garden) and then turned to Android to do the same. Another toll gate at only a quarter the price - sure, lets pay that as well. But then we get to the point where they require images of government issued id and address verification. You can have my money, buddy, but that level of personal data for something small like a game? How about no…

▲Aozora7 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Google take $25 once, Apple takes $100 every year. For hobby projects, the former is reasonable, and the latter is a dealbreaker.

I'm surprised Apple doesn't make you scan your ID since there are laws that force both Apple and Google to publish real names of developers on app store pages. And address too, if you charge money.

▲xaitv 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Imo even the $25 is too much or at least promotes inequality. Plenty of countries with developers where $25 is a full day's wages, but for the average American software dev $25 is almost nothing.

▲Blibberwock 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They do if you want to distribute your apps in the EU. And your physical address will be published as well.

▲nev3rfail 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, fuck it. This is beyond insane, apparently I cant distribute apps just in GitHub "releases" section anymore without Google's approval. I hope some EU antimonopoly something will fry their asses.

▲trilogic 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>I hope some EU antimonopoly something will fry their asses. Yes they will but it takes some time, Europe got it own way to make justice: https://hugston.com/news/ban-european-account-pay-billions

▲vrganj 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I've been reaching out to my MEPs over this. I would encourage other EU citizens to do the same.

▲sehw 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I switched to GNU/Linux on my GPD MicroPC 2 ;)

▲mrsssnake 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Honestly, beyond my deGoogled Android smartphone and a GNU/Linux laptop I am looking around for pocketable device between those. Mecha Comet looks like a perfect fit, but it is not released yet.

▲ur-whale 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you thing it was still the 2000's or something?

That you were still free to write code, put it out there and have people use it freely?

A decade ago, I made a joke comment to a friend that you were soon going to need a carry permit to operate a compiler.

Joke's not so funny in 2026.

▲userbinator 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A decade ago, I made a joke comment to a friend that you were soon going to need a carry permit to operate a compiler.

Richard Stallman's Right to Read (1997) made a similar observation.

▲lenkite 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

So, the guy that HN loves to mock and poke fun at - Richard Stallman - was utterly correct after all.

▲delis-thumbs-7e an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does anyone even dev for G or A - unless you get a big pay check from either ? Every time I look into mobile dev I just go “yep, NOPE!” and go to have a shower. And it seems to just get worse and worse? Are both app stores going to be full of just unusable vibe coded crap in few years time?

▲voidUpdate 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Because at my work, clients want the general public to be able to install their apps sometimes, and my department does native apps, a different department does web stuff. If you want Joe Public to be able to install your app, you have to go through the Google or Apple stores.

However, we don't directly dev in Kotlin or Swift, we use Unity, which can export directly to an APK, or an XCode project (which has to be compiled a second time which is a nightmare). Sometimes we have to write native plugins to access device specific features (Last time I needed to was to access the FoV of the device's main camera), but it's not common, Unity has great support for most things you want to do out of the box

▲0xcrypto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The app I am trying to publish is a PWA but needs a CORS policy bypass for which I have created a small proxy. This proxy needs to be running natively on the device.

▲john01dav an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Either because their vision of what they want to make needs a mobile form factor and can't be a website (possibly due to marketing causing users to reject mobile websites), or (and I suspect that this is the bigger driver) the pay from the stores (even after the ridiculous 30% cut + bureaucratic insanity) makes it worth it (possibly under the category of getting "a big pay check", but it sounds more like you mean employment).

▲applfanboysbgon 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why does anyone even dev for G or A

Because personal computers are a legacy platform for nerds and programmers, and smartphones are the most widely used consumer computing platform in the world. This desperately needs regulation. Unfortunately the EU is currently regulating the duopoly into law, making their phones necessary for ID verification, so we're probably completely fucked for at least a decade or two before we even have a chance, but that's still not a reason to shrug our shoulders and accept it.

▲Aldipower 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

I won't call it exactly legacy.. Nerds still provide an attractive market. :-)

▲jorisw an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

No insightful information or experience in this comment. Just pointless opinions.

▲applfanboysbgon 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

That is indeed a perfect description of your comment.

▲geff82 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

... just developing for Linux has always had it's own attraction: the one of being free to do what you want.

▲BugsJustFindMe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Another person discovers the binary certificate cartel.