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▲ zug_zug 6 hours ago

Somebody said (I think it was FrostPrime) roughly: Gambling is genuinely the scariest drug, I actually think it's worse than cocaine and it's just right there on your phone.

I think that really framed the issue well to me. Imagine having an addiction problem and having to carry the problem substance around with you 24/7.

▲JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Gambling is genuinely the scariest drug

Every personality has something, it seems, that it tends to get addicted to if given the chance. Gambling has never been that to me. I get bored with most of the games and upset at losing money—even if I net win, I’m irritated about the incremental losses.

On the other hand, I have to manually keep track of how many days in a month I drink because if I don’t I’ll happily have half a bottle of wine every evening, and I think I know where that leads. (When I lose money in a casino I almost always translate that into a nice dinner. Which I will, invariably, enjoy far more than winning imaginary numbers.)

▲banannaise 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> and upset at losing money—even if I net win, I’m irritated about the incremental losses.

While you don't appear to be susceptible, it is notable that this mindset is not something that makes you less likely to develop a gambling problem. It's actually part of how they drive addiction. A customer who is annoyed at every loss is often a customer who will chase their losses with more/bigger bets, trying to get the winning high back.

▲JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> customer who is annoyed at every loss is often a customer who will chase their losses with more/bigger bets

That makes sense. When I lose a bit the boredom accelerates and I just want to leave. I’ve “spent” the money on an experience and it was boring.

The only exception to this is card games. But I don’t like those at casinos or on my phone. And I’d be happier playing a board game with most of the folks I play poker with.

▲physicallyIllfr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The fact that you think you incrementally lose but are a net winner indicates to me you're illinformed.

As someone with years of experience in this industry, only a fraction of a percent of gamblers actually meet this defination. But they all think they're net winners and write off losses as "incremental"

▲t-writescode 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The other one on that list is food (or, using food to cope with trauma, resulting in an addiction).

You have to eat to survive, but when it becomes your only source of peace or happiness and/or you get addicted to it … very bad things happen and it’s very hard to moderate.

▲abirch 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Imagine having a gambling addiction and trying to watch sports! I swear every third commercial is for gambling.

▲sidrag22 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think there is nearly enough attention on the pipeline that has been created for children to grow into good little gamblers. All major sports games have absolute borderline gambling within their game in the form of those fantasy style Card games. Pair that with watching any live broadcast of a major sport and the gross ads for all these major sports better companies, with the ad reads during the game.

Haven't followed all that closely for some other games, but it very much seems like the model for NBA2k is to release a new game with some minor patches each year, charge 70$, then spend the majority of that year crafting patches for the card game to keep whales interested in constantly spending on new packs(which are promptly devalued on the next release, and straight up killing the prior year's game's online service, makes them entirely worthless the next year).

▲mcmcmc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s really disturbing to me because sports are one category of entertainment that is supposed to be family friendly and accessible to kids. They look up to pro athletes as heroes and all the gambling ads are directly being shown to children. It shouldn’t be legal to advertise age restricted products and services to kids, even if they’re not the “intended” target. They’re still being groomed to accept gambling as cool and normal. Gambling, alcohol, all those ads should be subject to the same safe harbor restrictions as sexual content. Ban the ads from stadiums and jerseys too.

▲autoexec 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't watch sports much, but the last times I did they filled the screen with ads for gambling in the middle of the games while they were being played

▲boogieknite 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

beyond that, every sports podcast actively encourages gambling. hosts lightheartedly joke about their bad beats like its a pratfall. while entertaining as a non-gambling outsider, i think its a colloquial rationalization of life-ruining behavior

▲htrp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

and also blasted into your face at any opportune moment (TV, billboards, print media, in person conversations)

▲IAmGraydon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When a gambling addict spends money on a bet, they're actually spending that money on a moment of hope. After the bet is placed but before the cards fall, they can live in a place where there is at least a possibility that they can make enough money to escape their problems. That moment of possibility is experienced as hope, and it's a feeling that's truly addictive to the hopeless.

It's scary like all addiction, but particularly sad at its core.

▲xdavidliu 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

i've always wondered at the intimate relation between risk, dopamine, anticipation, and utility. I'm not an expert and only going by amateur armchair observation, but i suspect that evolution has spent a lot of attention on the problem of non-guaranteed rewards, and the phenomenon of gambling addiction is merely a reflection of that, just like how that of adhd is a reflection of ancient humans needing to be overly alert for subtle signs of danger (or something like that, not an expert)

That "live in a place with possibility" surely triggers the anticipation part of dopamine (which is what it really is, more so than the pleasure part). Dopamine is also intimately connected to movement: i.e. the shakes for people with neurological conditions as well as addicts going through withdrawal or about to relapse.

▲stopbulying 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲anotha_one 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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