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▲ benbristow 2 hours ago

I've had an idea in the back of my head but I'm no businessman so have this one for free.

Build an AI model, train it from the catalogues of JD Sports and Sports Direct (and other brands like Stone Island etc.) and how to detect balaclavas, illegal electric bikes and e-scooters. Have it link to cameras and do a percentage chance using machine learning on chance of crime. Also increase the percentage if a 'wheely' is done (riding only on back wheel).

Would minority report the majority of crime in this country in one fell swoop.

Could call it ScroteScanner.

Some would call it discrimination but the majority of ASB I see around my area are people dressed/using those exact things.

If they start to catch-on (unlikely) then worse case we have a fancier looking society with gangsters in suits again.

▲Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They should just round up and imprison all the people who walk in my neighbourhood.

Some would call it discrimination but the majority of people who commit crimes in my area are people who can walk. I rarely see the wheelchair crowd pulling off B&Es.

Oh, or people who wear clothes. Criminals seem to like wearing clothes. Point proven: you never see nudists shoplifting Old Navy.

▲benbristow 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People on illegal escooters or illegal electric bikes are already committing crimes, there's rarely a decent reason to be wearing a balaclava in the city.

As I said, machine learning to take all these pointers into perspective.

▲Waterluvian an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think what makes this resemble a moronic idea is it’s a thin veneer of an invention based on your personal stereotyped perspective.

The real challenge, if you wanted to work on the meat of the issue, is that we need to reduce crime without catching the innocent in the net, without having a chilling effect on legal behaviour and people’s rights, and without normalizing the mindset that we should just precrime people.

One of the core points of Minority Report is in the film’s title: that even if technology becomes 99.99% accurate, we are still damned by the destruction of due process and the presumption of innocence.

I think ideas like yours belong in the incinerator.

▲pjc50 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The unlicensed ebike, while not a serious problem, is a really annoying one in certain places, and everybody suspects that it's not a wave of people doing it but in fact a fairly small number of people doing antisocial things over and over again. Who are relying on being untraceable and on a versatile getaway vehicle.

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2025/11/thirteen-e-bikes-...

Note that "illegal motorbike with no plates" is an offense that you can detect just by looking at it. There's no "pre" in the crime. The problem is either stopping them or tracing them.

▲some_random 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The balaclava thing is stupid, but you're missing the point that they're already doing something illegal. If you think anti-ebike law is stupid then that law should be repealed, not ignored.

▲b112 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While what you say has merit in isolation, you're replying to a post where the person says "they're already doing illegal things". If the cameras pick up people "breaking the law", using further algo on that seems... sensible?

EG, the gatekeep is 'already should get a ticket or something'.

I actually oppose all cameras, and think we should just have more police in the streets. It's how policing used to be done. Human judgement.

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▲MSFT_Edging 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the age of everything being filmed in a panopticon, I look at the teens wearing balaclava and wonder where they bought theirs. Good on them for having a modicum of privacy.

▲someonebaggy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is arresting someone for (what fact about?) their scooter actually making society better?

Comments like these reinforce my belief that the UK is a panopticon because UK residents sincerely want one and not because the government is corrupt.

▲benbristow an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, they actively make public spaces unpleasant and dangerous. Town centres are on their knees as people don't want to go there anymore due to ASB like this.

▲someonebaggy 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Wow! How bad does a scooter have to be for people to avoid the whole town center?

▲benbristow 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's not just them, you've got ebikes going 30mph, kids/teens congregating on bikes in balaclavas. Come look for yourself and see if you don't feel intimidated.

▲someonebaggy 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

Oh! I live somewhere like that. I just don't be intimidated by things unless I have a reason to be intimidated. Although scary looking people congregate sometimes, they've never actually harmed me so I don't avoid the whole area. And the few times I've ever interacted with a scary looking person, they were chill.

Tendency to fear has to be one of those personality axes. Studies found that political conservatives have larger amygdala (the part of their brain that governs things like fear) so maybe this is something similar.

▲sebzim4500 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Is arresting someone for (what fact about?) their scooter actually making society better?

In London people are scooters are often mildly annoying.

>Comments like these reinforce my belief that the UK is a panopticon because UK residents sincerely want one and not because the government is corrupt.

You are correct, despite what you will see on HN/reddit the UK electorate are united only in wanting more authoritarianism at any cost.

▲adammarples an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Trouble is you'd be scooping up 90% of boys in a certain race, class, age bracket, because those ballys and bikes and Nike tech are effectively fashion at this point even if you're doing nothing wrong. And if that's the case you don't need AI you can just wait outside the school gates and arrest everyone.

▲benbristow an hour ago | parent [-]

Those are the types likely to be committing a lot of the crimes. Come to a working class town and see for yourself, or go on any local town Facebook group or council page and look at the comments.

▲mikeodds 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

This comment is being downvoted but I suspect the people downvoting don’t live in those towns.

▲bellowsgulch 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People who make comments like this don’t have to deal with walking stereotypes committing crimes in broad daylight and it’s so fucking annoying for people who do.

And let me remind you those criminal stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason.

▲antonvs an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If you seriously want to arrest people based on stereotypes, you deserve far worse than annoyance.

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▲natpalmer1776 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I would rather all my shit get stolen at gunpoint and my local grocers close due to rampant shoplifting than put a single innocent man in jail over some bullshit “minority report”-esque pre-crime algorithm someone with three squares and reliable housing decided was a good idea.

The problem with stereotypes isn’t that they are usually right (they’re not), it’s that they’re sometimes (usually) wrong.

▲n4r9 an hour ago | parent [-]

The other problem is that stereotyping an entire social group simply alienates the members of that group. They perceive that society doesn't trust or value them, so in response they don't trust or value society. See e.g. racial profiling in the London Met's use of stop-and-search powers.

If your ultimate goal is harm-reduction, then stereotyping is irrational.

▲natpalmer1776 an hour ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately it seems most of the people who I've spoken to that advocate for prosecution-by-stereotype don't want to understand the nuance involved in causing groups to become disenfranchised. In the eyes of the people I've spoken to there is never any reason to commit a crime and if you associate with people who do then you're no better than the criminals.

It's a serious lack of empathy and understanding.

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▲mtrovo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would love to see a similar model trained on the Forbes 30 under 30 to catch all the young financial creatives wearing Patagonia gilets.

It would probably pay for itself.

▲some_random 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Finding these people is not the hard part, they're walking around everywhere. The police either don't care or aren't allowed to enforce the law.

▲igleria 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Technically you are proposing targeting poor people with extra steps. charming.

▲maeln 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having lived in shitty neighborhood all my life (not in the UK tho'), I find this pretty laughable. First off, you would be surprised at how petty criminal caught on police tactic fairly quickly and find way around them. But in general, you will just get petty criminal. Sure they are a nuisance, but more a symptom than a cause. And let's say we do just that. You arrest thousand upon thousand of balaclava-wearing, e-scooter driving dudes. What do you do then ? Most of them will have to be released because, well, they didn't do anything. You might catch some of them with minor charges like drug possession or possession of a knife or something. You successfully wasted thousands of police and justice man-hours for a few petty charges which won't change anything. “Solving” crime is a hard problem, and one with 0 simple solutions and many, many things we have to work on as a society. Your idea is a net negative in prertty much all aspect.

▲TheOtherHobbes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We already have plenty of gangsters in suits. They travel in taxis and chauffeured cars, not on e-scooters.

▲blitzar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its like Shazam for Scrotes

▲benbristow 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed.

▲schnitzelstoat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They could just make sentencing tougher and keep criminals in prison.

The strongest predictor (by far) for committing a crime is having a prior criminal record.

▲n4r9 an hour ago | parent [-]

Don't you think that isolating people in poor conditions amongst hardened criminals might make them more likely to commit crime when they get released?

▲echelon_musk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> foul swoop

It's "fell swoop".

▲antonvs an hour ago | parent [-]

In this case it fits. It's a foul idea.

▲embedding-shape 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hook this up into the facial recognition tech they're in no doubt are already using, and then you could also collect data from people's social profiles, ensure they vote for the right parties and generally don't get into trouble like opposing mainstream political ideas and such things.

I've spent a whole of 15 seconds thinking about this and I don't foresee a single drawback here, lets just try it and see if we can prevent future crimes 100%, because then the future will have been saved.

▲iamacyborg 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Set up some automated scanners for cyclists jumping red lights in the City as well.

▲benbristow 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hm, would depend if they're on rented or own bikes.

Rented you're charged by the minute so there's a financial incentive even for non-scrotes.

▲iamacyborg an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We also need a points-based system on the tube, if you’re walking slowly in tunnels blocking traffic at rush hour because you’re staring at your phone you get a point. 5 points and you get a 6 month ban from the tube.

▲someonebaggy an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes. Also 10 years in jail if you litter.

▲iamacyborg an hour ago | parent [-]

Let’s not be too harsh, 3 years should be sufficient.

▲graemep 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you jump a red light you are a scrote.

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▲tempfile an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you seriously excusing bad behaviour on the basis that there was a financial incentive to behave badly?!

▲benbristow an hour ago | parent [-]

Not excusing it but it's a large reason to why people skip red lights on rented bikes and electric scooters. It's more of a reason than just doing it because you're not afraid of the law.

▲iamacyborg an hour ago | parent [-]

I don’t think that’s true given how many people do it with their own bikes.

▲benbristow an hour ago | parent [-]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm270ldjl37o

▲iamacyborg an hour ago | parent [-]

The only mention of red light jumping is the victim’s opinion that it’s a factor.

▲someonebaggy an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Can we make the city scanners look like the ones in HL2?

▲toyg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The degree to which the British underclasses adopted a dress-code in the late '80s (quite conveniently, for the authorities), is a social phenomenon that should be studied. They openly self-discriminate, willingly reducing opportunities and outcomes. Was it just evolutionary adaptation (tracksuits make it easier to run in dangerous situations), or was it pursuit of a tribal sense of belonging?

▲gib444 an hour ago | parent [-]

Hah, you could argue it was heavily influenced by Italy. You had the posh Milanese young people wearing brands (also as tribal markers). Same phenomenon, but at the opposite end of the class system. The British 'football casual' crowd were obsessed with that fashion in Italy.

IMO they're really just aspiring to be able to afford high-end versions of the same clothing. It's the opposite of trying to look poor. Misguided, obviously