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▲ JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago

:D

That said, American wine—and California wine in particular—has a bit of an IPA problem inasmuch as there is a lot of overpriced, overproduced swill being priced exceptionally high by international standards.

▲_jwr a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

It is incredibly difficult to sustainably run a winery in California. The margins are often negative without operating at a large scale, which is part of why the industry has consolidated heavily over the past few decades.

Often times, wealthy people buy wineries as a hobby to dabble in, but end up selling and calling it a day before it drains their cash. If you want to buy wine for cheap that is made in California, buy mass-market wine.

Smaller brands are generally expensive because that price is necessary to sustain operations, but most of the time that fails, and the owners end up selling.

▲alistairSH an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not just American wine... wines from any region have always been more expensive in the US.

Quick poking around Google... Italy, France, and Germany all have mid-tier bottles of their own domestic wine for far less than we (in the US) get any wine, domestic or import.

▲toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I get the swill at a discount :) "The best wine is the wine you like best." Best deal I recently got was a few hundred bottles for under $1k, <$5/bottle. Easier than the trek to a Trader Joe's or Costco, ymmv (and I don't feel bad throwing a bottle out if it isn't for me, versus a $100+ bottle).

▲nkrisc an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sounds like a great deal, but that’s quite a lot of space required to store them, no?

▲harvey9 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

'a lot' depends on how much you had to begin with.

▲toomuchtodo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really, takes up a large wall in a residential detached single family home basement somewhere in the Midwest. Everything is relative.

▲vehemenz 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Don’t even need that. If they’re packed in wine boxes they take up hardly any space.

▲Ancalagon an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you just buy barrels at that point?

▲JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Large-format bottles are criminally underappreciated this side of the Atlantic.

▲toomuchtodo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Only one so far, I'm willing to take more but not a lot on offer. Maybe I'm talking to the wrong suppliers. There's a right price for everything, but I am looking for fire sale|"going out of business" prices. Replies with leads welcome!