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▲ dist-epoch 6 hours ago

HN'ers which complained that "OpenAI can't design a proper sandbox, it's so easy, why wouldn't you airgap the network"? will now be "this is outrageous, more software lock-in, walled garden, war against general compute, next year they will put it in your laptop"

▲HPsquared 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Both can be true at the same time.

▲mattmcal 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is like using "protect the children" as an argument for dragnet surveillance.

▲jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OpenAI could airgap their sandbox if they really wanted to and this is a ridiculous proposal.

▲ssl-3 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That a person can see such endless pages of people having various forms of disagreement, and yet somehow manage to conclude that this observed chaos constitutes a clear exhibition of cohesive groupthink is just...stunningly amazing to me.

I don't know why I find it so amazing since it happens with such regularity, but I'm always amazed by it anyway.

▲totetsu 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/uwoyygmsu some might even say, something about known state sponsors of supply chain terrorist attacks being trusted to monitor every ai agent..

▲johnsmith1840 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Airgap what network? How is it gonna order you a burrito on doordash without a network?

Or push to github?

▲Dylan16807 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That's for when they're doing hacking tests that aren't supposed to be connected to the internet.

▲wyre 6 hours ago | parent [-]

My question with this point is that OpenAI’s office (or any office doing agentic research, really) is not in the same building as the DC that powers the models, so isn’t the only way to access the models over the internet?

▲AndrewDucker 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

No reason why you couldn't do that research in the same buildings as the models.

Or, more likely, control things at the network level so that packets from the LLMs you're investigating cannot leave the virtual network they're assigned to.

▲applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where is the contradiction? There is a trivial solution that does not impinge on our freedoms, so why on Earth would the existence of the trivial solution that could be used to avoid the tyrannical solution justify accepting the tyrannical solution?

▲bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> There is a trivial solution that does not impinge on our freedoms

The existence of Nvidia's optional watchdog chip does not in any way impinge upon your freedom to develop and test your own alternative.

The problem is that OpenAI has ostensibly neglected their duty to safety, so Nvidia is stepping in to fix it since they're the "hard problem" people.

▲jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

But... it wasn't a hard problem to begin with. Pull the plug. Strip out the radios. Done. Oh, you can't make it work that way? Well, then just too bad because any kind of other solution is going to be equivalent to something far more complex than the halting problem.

▲bigyabai 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nvidia can take those odds. Air gapping is not a realistic goal for the majority of these companies, and Nvidia isn't wrong for offering a turnkey mitigation option. People can do both, and whichever philosophy wins will win.

▲soulofmischief 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're only revealing your own inability to appreciate the nuance between these two situations.

▲speedgoose 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So?