> the largest copyright theft operation in human history

Many people think that it was fair use: training is akin to reading, not copying.

Especially the courts.

Trusteando 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

No only reading, because the content, style, selection of topics, and more is encoded, written, in the LLM weights, and they obtain profit from them. Noone can compete which copying and pasting (in encoding from) from copyright protected material.

	▲	qarl 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> No only reading, because the content, style, selection of topics, and more is encoded, written, in the LLM weights Exactly analogous to a human reading the material.

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trompetenaccoun 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That's not been legally established, the litigation is ongoing. And if mere downloading and reading of copyrighted material were legal, how come torrent users have been fined for it in the thousands?

The law is the law, there can't be different law for corporations with billions in backing. I don't agree with current copyright laws btw and think they should be changed. However, they probably should have lobbied for that before illegally downloading all this material.

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qarl 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

> That's not been legally established

100% of the rulings agree with me.

The piracy is not in question. It is unarguably copyright violation.

But that's not what anyone means in this context. Training is what everyone means.

> The law is the law, there can't be different law for corporations with billions in backing.

I didn't say otherwise. That's a straw man.

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trompetenaccoun 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

So we agree they have violated copyright at a much larger scale than LibGen, yet they call LibGen "sketchy" for doing the same thing? Absurd, what exactly are we arguing here?

	▲	qarl 11 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> So we agree they have violated copyright at a much larger scale than LibGen No.