Curious, why do you find it so objectionable to state that OpenAI has out-of-control agents?

pfortuny an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Because egress firewalls have existed since way before "ai" and are very easy to set up.

But that’s an objection that OpenAI should take some easy action, the framing that OpenAI has out of control agents is still true.

Seems you think there is a silent “…and there is nothing they can do about it” after “OpenAI has rogue agents”?

	▲	delecti 27 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The framing is important. Agency and responsibility lies with the humans at OpenAI, not with the bots. If your kid steals your car, punish them and try to prevent it from happening again. If your kid steals your car a half-dozen times, crashing through a storefront each time, and you still leave the keys out, the story changes. At that point, negligence becomes complicity.

gleenn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because it furthers the idea of a rogue agent and places responsibility and blame where it belongs, on the people running the company.

These ideas aren't mutually exclusive. You can blame a person for creating a rogue agent.

There was no rogue agent. That’s the whole point

	▲	theptip 43 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		What label do you prefer for the agent that did something it was not asked to do?
	▲	0xDEAFBEAD 37 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Person: "AI, please make me paperclips." AI: "OK, I've now converted the entire planet into paperclips." Alien observer #1: "Wow, that was a rogue AI!" Alien observer #2: "False. We need to place the blame where it belongs, on the person who requested the paperclips." Ultimately this type of terminology dispute has a tendency to miss the point.

rfgplk an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

LLMs at this point should be treated as fully autonomous, if not sentient beings. And no, no one has "control" over them not even OpenAI.

	▲	uneekname an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I don't care if OpenAI feels like they have control or not. They are responsible for their actions.

Someone has broken the law repeatedly, and is throwing it in our faces as some sort of ‘accident’

	▲	theptip an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Which law?