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| ▲ | Rumple22Stilk 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is not remotely racist. It's simply a fact, and the result of a lack of nationalist ideology. Turns out if it's more economically efficient to simply import skilled workers, or outsource, then that's what will happen. Breeding and educating your own citizens in a first world country is very expensive. So you don't do it. The only reason not to do this is national preference. Economically it makes sense, on a national level it makes sense, individually it's genocide. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Individually, you have to accept migrants if your personal demographic is below the replacement rate. Otherwise you will never retire, and your kids (if any) will work in a nursing economy at minimum wage. It's petty and anti-nationalist to demand that your nation destroy it's own economy to fit your arbitrary political mold. | | |
| ▲ | Geee an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | We've now learned that this isn't true for all migrant groups, and it has been an extremely costly mistake to make. Demographic replacement can't work positively if the productivity of migrants is below of the original demographic, and actually makes the situation worse. Europe might have learned this too late, but at least now EU and most European countries are changing course. | |
| ▲ | andsoitis 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Individually, you have to accept migrants if your personal demographic is below the replacement rate. No, you don't have to. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, you do. The frontlines of Ukraine are being prepared for literal demographic replacement as we speak. Kidnapped Ukrainian children are attending Russian schools, fortifications and bases are being dug out for them to fight against their own kin. Are you enlisted? Do you want to be? Europe needed to figure out it's defense plan yesterday, not in 20 years. If Europe won't ally with migrants, then maintaining European sovereignty is nearly impossible. |
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| ▲ | Rumple22Stilk 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is an absurd set of assumptions that have forced you into a nonsensical position. No, you don't need to accept migrants. You need money. You can get money in many many ways. The best way for this to happen for the general prosperity of citizens is for the state to enrich themselves from the work of others, non citizens, and give that money to citizens. This is what Norway has done through its sovereign wealth fund. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's absolutely not an absurd set of assumptions. The majority of the demographics you're worried about are beneath the replacement rate. They are going to necessarily reach a point where the youth workforce cannot sustain the outsized elderly population or protect them in a war scenario. If you do not want to defend Europe's front lines with teenage conscripts and geriatric riflemen, you need a way to bring warm bodies into the fold. Refusing lawful immigration will undermine domestic security, doom the elderly and ruin pension funds for future retirees. No sovereign wealth fund is worth losing your sovereignty over. | | |
| ▲ | Rumple22Stilk 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, they are an absurd set of assumptions. I told you what the requirement was. Money. You have simply arbitrarily decided instead it's just people for no reason at all. As though magically people will spawn resources from their finger tips. According to you the richest countries in the world must be the most populous. Obviously this is idiotic to even a cursory examination. The next assumption you've made is that birth rate is completely random, a roll of the dice, an unchangeable fact of the universe. The reality is of course it's a result of policy and economics. This can be solved extremely easily. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm sorry. You cannot accuse me of setting absurd assumptions and then outline "the requirement" as if reality is Go Fish and I misplayed my card. Macropolitics are multidimensional, the babies born tomorrow are eighteen years away from reaching the workforce. There are no policy or economic changes that make your children grow faster. Europe's troop deficit is just as immediate and pressing as the economic and policy problems. It would be nice if we could ignore it, but you can only expand your domestic middle class if you don't condemn them to the conscription lines first. | | |
| ▲ | Rumple22Stilk 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's very funny you try to make that argument when your requirement was literally just MIGRANTS, because MIGRANTS = PENSIONS. Which is hilariously a subset of my own requirement, more specific. Absolutely absurd. No. What I said is just a fact. There's no assumption, the requirement is a fact. You need money to pay for goods and services for the people no longer working. There's no assumption there? What's the assumption, that goods and services need to be paid for? So stop bringing up migrants for no reason at all. The actual issue is money, and there are many ways to obtain money. The nonsense about troops is of course ridiculous. Just a fantastical statement divorced from reality. Who is this enemy Europe is facing that will require a ww1 style meat grinder of 10s of millions of troops, which of course took place when the european population was half the size. |
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