I know this is a stupid question even before I ask it, but is there any chance at this point of seeing something out of the scope of Apple and Google for mobile?? Will the bank apps ever allow people out of these two players

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dd8601fn 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We can’t even get some of the largest banks to do competent 2 factor, after all these years. The idea that they’re going to produce feature parity on peculiar platforms does seem like a big stretch.

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WarmWash 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, because it is near impossible to compete with "free" and totally impossible to compete with "free-and-you-can-use-ad-block."

The truth is that these corps are so entrenched because people love love love the ad model. I mean, they hate the ads, but they are so sold on access being free that introducing a cost would come off like charging money to walk in a public park. Totally confusing.

And frankly the other path wouldn't be all roses either. There would be a wealth divide in technology where poor people wouldn't be able to afford to use all the stuff available to them now for free.

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phoronixrly 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you are referring to banking apps, I just don't use banking apps that don't work on my degoogled phone thus granting them the low fraud risk they so strive for with forcing locked devices.

	▲	pelagicAustral 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
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mitxela 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're free to make one, and bank apps are often less locked down than you think - try them yourself instead of accepting possible FUD. Also your bank 100% has a checkbox on your account they can click to disable any phone hardware requirements on your account.

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fn-mote 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> your bank 100% has a checkbox on your account they can click to disable any phone hardware requirements

I was going to thank you. I still thank you if this is true.

How do you know about the bank checkbox?

My bank is huge and I’m skeptical they give a crap about me any more than Google. Their app certainly doesn’t look like it.

(I noticed your account has been posting a lot of what I consider to be “garbage comments” in this article, so I’d like some kind of claim to fact check.)

	▲	mitxela 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I know that because of all the reports of people going to their bank and complaining the app won't work on their phone, then getting it fixed.

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anal_reactor 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Motorola is planning to release phones with GrapheneOS. So far only expensive models have been confirmed, but I assume cheapos should follow.

Of course they're not doing this out of good heart. My theory is that China wants to have a popular smartphone that is completely independent from US companies. But hey, once upon a time Google were "the good guys" too, so enjoy the party while it lasts.

An interesting point is that it's important to have powerful China around because they're a capitalist competition to the US.

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philipallstar 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> An interesting point is that it's important to have powerful China around because they're a capitalist competition to the US.

Semi-capitalist at best. They're good for cloning things invented in the West, but the problem is that that is much cheaper than inventing, so things get commoditised and the places that can do expensive R&D have to find other ways to make money all the time.

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anal_reactor 5 hours ago | parent [-]

1. That's not true. More and more segments of technology are being dominated by China. China sells lots and lots of everyday objects that are wholly desgined in China, with quality beating western products. They're just small improvements over existing designs of relatively simple things, so nothing makes the headlines.

2. Lots of Chinese technology never leaves China for political reasons, rather than economic/technology ones.

3. If you want to buy a semi-professional machine as an advanced hobbyist, often your only option is China.

4. Apple is wildly known for taking existing designs and improving on them. Why is it good for Apple to do that, but bad for China to do that?

	▲	philipallstar 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Apple is wildly known for taking existing designs and improving on them. Why is it good for Apple to do that, but bad for China to do that? I'm not saying that's the case.

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stephenr 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Isn't graphene completely dependent on what Google ships though? Ok they may be able to support Motorola devices longer than Googles releases facilitate supporting Google devices, but it's still ultimately android, which is still ultimately controlled by Google.

I'm not saying it isn't an improvement but this feels like choosing centos because you don't like the direction fedora is taking.

	▲	anal_reactor 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Writing a new OS from scratch simply ain't gonna work, because people rely on Android apps working on their phones.