| ▲ | sippingabonedry 3 hours ago |
| > I know everyone says this is political but it actually seems like a textbook designation It literally is a textbook definition, signed into US law: “Supply chain risk,” means the risk that an adversary may sabotage, maliciously introduce unwanted function, or otherwise subvert the design, integrity, manufacturing, production, distribution, installation, operation, or maintenance of a covered system so as to surveil, deny, disrupt, or otherwise degrade the function, use, or operation of such system (see 10 U.S.C. 3252). To add onto what another commenter said, the pen analogy would be more like the manufacturer designing pens that stopped working when used to sign strike orders they disagreed with. |
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| ▲ | cmdli 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Selling a pen labeled "this pen will refuse to sign certain orders" is not sabotage or malicious and is thus not a supply chain risk. The DoD is free to not buy from Anthropic, but designating them as a supply chain risk is incorrect, as well as arguably arbitrary and capricious given their public criticism of Anthropic's beliefs. |
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| ▲ | sippingabonedry 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Have you considered calling the Department of War and telling them how to run their business? The purpose of the designation is because Anthropic's product was deemed risky enough they had to ensure it doesn't get incorporated in any other products they might buy from anyone else. This isn't difficult to understand. | | |
| ▲ | techblueberry 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They thought the product was such garbage they threatened them for not letting them use it any way they wanted? |
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| ▲ | ajmurmann 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The pen example makes sense if the intermediary were to ship the pen as part of the final product but not if the pen is simply used to draft designs of the final product. It seems that this designation would prohibit using the pen anywhere in the process which doesn't really make sense. |
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| ▲ | benoau 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > so as to surveil How does Android and iPhone meet the grade given apps have pretty consistently leaked locations, base layouts etc? |
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| ▲ | phkahler 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Who is the adversary in this case? |
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| ▲ | novaleaf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Anthropic | |
| ▲ | newsclues 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "risk that an adversary may"
any of them. China, Russia, Iran, come to mind. | | |
| ▲ | collingreen an hour ago | parent [-] | | Why is this downvoted? Seeing a bunch of downvotes right now that feel disingenuous (or just knee jerk on keyword matching). Ideally we downvote low quality content not things we don't like. | | |
| ▲ | Griffinsauce 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Because it's incorrect. Those are (arguably) adversaries but the actor here is Anthropic, which is not an adversary. |
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| ▲ | 7e 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It is not the textbook definition, because what Anthropic is doing is not sabotage, malicious, or subversive. Those are the key words in the definition. They are just refusing to add a feature to the military's specification. So their bid falls short of requirements. |
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| ▲ | chrisjj 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > They are just refusing to add a feature to the military's specification. That fails to accord with the claim: >The Department reasonably feared that Anthropic might manipulate Claude’s design to prevent it from performing national-security functions that the Department deems contractually authorized and necessary | | |
| ▲ | cmdli 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | That isn't sabotage, that is simply product design. Anthropic is free to create their products that refuse to kill people, and the DoD is free not to buy those products if they don't fit their needs. However, that's not what a supply chain risk is. It's not an order to "don't buy these products if they don't work the way we want them to", its designating Anthropic as a national security threat because they might intentionally sabotage US military operations. | |
| ▲ | hardbass 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | The department feared Anthropic would refuse if it was used to mass surveil on Americans or kill people without human oversight. Facts already laid out in the terms. Instead of simply canceling or negotiating, they used overwhelming government force against it to apply a designation never before applied to an American company. When its an interaction between trump/trump's government and any other party, it is a good first approximation to assume Trumps side are wrong. |
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