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| ▲ | russelg 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Trickle charging overnight on standard AC is more than enough for a standard commuter, of course YMMV ;) | | |
| ▲ | taneq 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Depends whether they have access to 230V power. I’d want at least a 3.5kW charger, charging at half that would be miserable. | | |
| ▲ | fennecbutt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 3.5kw*12=42kwh. That's like half the capacity of a fairly decent range EV. How many people are really driving 240~ miles per day? Practically nobody...that's like 3.5 hours at motorway speeds. Inb4 the typical response of "every American commutes 99999 miles per day!!!" Charging at 1kw at home would be perfectly fine for average use cases. | | |
| ▲ | gertop 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | 3.5kW might be enough but you conclusion that 1kW is also enough is absurd. 12kWh is 40 miles, closer to 25-30 in cold climate. This is absolutely not a range that the average person would be happy with. And no, this isn't range anxiety or bad faith, it's literally less than the average daily commute (30 miles round trip). | |
| ▲ | BobbyTables2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Seems like it could get annoying if one wants a full charge but has to plan up to 4 days in advance, compared to a 10 minute gas station run. | | |
| ▲ | atonse 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It sounds like you might not own an EV. The #1 thing (in my opinion) that makes a difference in how easy it is to own an EV is whether you have a driveway or predictable parking spot overnight. Then you just stop thinking about this sort of stuff, ever. In fact, since I got an EV (I have a two-car garage), I have forgotten to even check my gas car's fuel levels and have driven it near empty a handful of times, I simply forget to even check. And as others have said, unless you're driving 250mi a day, a regular commute, you can recharge your car on a wall outlet. It does about 12 miles of range per hour, you can easily get about 100 miles of range every night. | |
| ▲ | motionlessveloc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What do you need to "plan"? Plug it in when you get home, and it'll be charged by the morning. | |
| ▲ | DiogenesKynikos 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's when you drive to the nearest fast-charging station, where you can charge from nearly empty to full in <10 minutes. | |
| ▲ | Spooky23 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It really doesn’t. Public chargers can take care of the oddball issues. Once you have one of these things, the problems that sound insurmountable turn out to be not much. |
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| ▲ | ashdksnndck 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why do you care how long home charging takes? It’s not like you have to hang out in or around your car while it’s charging, the way you do when filling it at a gas station. As long as your car charges enough overnight to make up for your average daily usage, you’ll be good. | | |
| ▲ | nomel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I had level 1, but it was just ridiculously slow. Still charging on a Tuesday, from going low the weekend before, was stupid, and made me unable to go some places. If you go above your average, it super sucks. I don't want to fill up, and I don't want to sit 10x longer than filling up with gas, at a charging station. | |
| ▲ | IrishTechie 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In Ireland there are electricity tariffs with an extremely cheap window of 2-4 hours at night, that’s one of the main reasons people want faster charging here anyway. | |
| ▲ | maxdo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i do charge at home, i have 50 Amps , fairly average around my area. I do charge at supercharges once every 3 months. I do travel ~20k miles a year. I never limit myself on when to go just because of charging. | |
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| ▲ | fragmede 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You're assuming a perfectly spherical driver who responsibly comes home after work every day at 6 pm and never forgets to plug in the charger, and leaves every morning at 7am, with a fixed 30 mile commute, and never has any deviation from that plan. In that case, L1 trickle charging overnight is totally viable. For people with more varied personal lives such that they come home late, forget or are too tired to plug in the charger, leave early to take a friend to the airport, or come home, change clothes/take a shower and then go back out for a couple of hours to see friends, the car doesn't charge sufficiently before next day's trip. This is easily solved by installing an L2/L3 charger at home, but those aren't free so want to be factored into the TCO calculation. Pretending otherwise is ignoring the reality of how real people live. | | |
| ▲ | DiogenesKynikos 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | All you have to do is to plug in at work or home once every few days. Even at <5kW, you can easily make up for a few days of commuting in a few hours. Even the cheapest cars have ranges of around 400 km. That's several days of commuting. You can forget to charge for three days and you'll still be fine. And if you really do forget to charge three days in a row, just drive to a nearby fast charger, wait for 10 minutes, and then you're set to go. |
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| ▲ | gavinsyancey 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you can plug your car into a standard 120v 15a outlet that will give you about 35-45 miles of range overnight. Unless you have a really long commute, that's probably enough on average, and if you have a week where you're driving more you can supplement your charging by going by a public fast-charger. 240v 15a gives you twice as much charging and probably doesn't require very expensive electrical upgrades, just finding a circuit you can dedicate to the car and swapping the breaker+outlet. | | |
| ▲ | sippingabonedry 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | We had PHEVs that could do this <checks notes> ten years ago. All whilst looking like and driving like normal cars and not iPads on wheels. If all you need (and all you're capable of charging) is 35mi of range, buying an EV is incredibly stupid, and you are continually placing yourself at risk of running out of battery. If the threat of an unscheduled errand would leave you stranded, you bought the wrong car. EVs are impractical unless all (frequently unsaid) prerequisites are met. | | |
| ▲ | speedstyle 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can drive hundreds of miles, but you'd only be able to charge 40-50. If your typical daily use is within that, you can go further at the weekend, or make an unexpected trip, and catch up over a few days (or at a fast charger) |
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| ▲ | NegativeLatency 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You might not need a L2 charger at home depending on driving habits? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NG4hycq8n0 | |
| ▲ | qwertyhjkl 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can your board run a hairdryer 12h? If you can you can produce 24kwh or basically 100-150km driving per day. | |
| ▲ | cyberax an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just a heads up, you don't need an electric panel upgrade anymore for charging. There are UL-certified systems that monitor the power use for the whole panel and load shed the EV charger if needed. I installed one from Emporia, for about $500. | |
| ▲ | sandworm101 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | At least you have a charger option. The non-rich of us who rent appartments have none. The four chargers in my biulding would cost more per-mile than buying gas... if they were working. They are currently down for some random reason (new cell provider, no connectivity in our carpark.) |
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