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▲ sgarrity 9 hours ago

Yes!

The closest thing I could find to a "normal car but electric" was the Hyundai Kona EV (I know, it's more small-SUV than 'car). So, I bought one.

It's good. There are physical controls for the temperature and volume, and the door handles aren't stupid.

I walked away from a Ford Mach-E because I didn't want to have to explain how to open the doors to ever person I drove for the next five years.

▲kaladin-jasnah 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The new Chevy Bolt EV is also a "normal car but electric" to me. It's not a car, but it's not a huge SUV either. It has physical controls, you can disable the modem by pulling the OnStar fuse, and it has a decent range and decent fast charging.

▲anamax 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

2027 is the last year for the Chevy Bolt. It's been canceled again.

▲kyleee an hour ago | parent [-]

Fucking cancel culture

▲WorldMaker 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wish they had a variant in a more normal sedan or hatchback than its "PT Cruiser thing", but it is still one of the closest in the US market to a normal car.

It's too bad Europe and Asia get all of the nice EV sedans like Dacia Spring and BYD Dolphin. This article even says Toyota hasn't committed to this Corolla EV in the US market, which is shameful.

▲sailfast 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ooh didn’t know about the OnStar fuse - good tip!!

▲vladvasiliu 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But isn't that what the Corolla was?

Note that this is a concept, I've never seen an actual production model look anything like the concept.

My father has a hybrid model, 2023 MY I think. It has physical controls for the radio, for AC and related things, for the heated seats, for the various "driver assist" features (like auto high beams, a parking thing (no idea what that is), radar, lane assist). It has a touchscreen, but that only seems to handle the maps, fancy radio controls (think equalizer and such), and other "car settings", whatever those are. You can absolutely drive it without ever having to interact with the touchscreen while doing normal things. I hate touchscreen controls as much as the next HN poster, but I have strictly 0 beef with the Corolla on this front. Door handles and windows work exactly the same as on my 2005 "dumb" car. Hell, I think it even has a physical toggle for the "automatic night mode" on the rear-view mirror, while mine couldn't be "non automatic".

To GP's point, I don't think it ever was an "entry level" car, just a "normal compact" car. I don't see why adding an electric drivetrain would have someone expect it would somehow become a basic, "entry-level" car.

I don't say we don't need those, but the Corolla never seems to have targeted that market, at least here in Europe. There always were plenty similar-sized cheaper and more basic cars from domestic manufacturers. Is it different in the US?

▲ac29 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Note that this is a concept, I've never seen an actual production model look anything like the concept.

Yeah the new Nissan Leaf looked horrible as a concept car, very "2003 idea of the future". The actual production version is just a boring SUV

▲badc0ffee 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a compact sedan (or a compact hatchback, depending on the model) from Toyota, which in Canada at least, makes it an "entry-level" new car.

▲buran77 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I've never seen an actual production model look anything like the concept.

As an exception to this rule, the original Audi TT was surprisingly similar to the concept car and even the initial concept sketches. They had a crazy design idea and just went with it.

▲addaon 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The Genesis GV90 is damn close as well.

▲iamEAP 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Had found this in the 2nd generation Nissan Leaf. It would have been perfect but for the slow and non-standard charger.

Looking forward to the Volkswagen ID Polo hitting the used market in a couple of years. Physical buttons, decent range and charge times, and it’s rated to pull reasonable loads.

▲ak217 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

The 2nd gen Leaf (plus/extended range) is still a great car if you don't need it for road trips or continuous long driving. 200 mile range, built on a no-frills Nissan econobox platform, decent looks, very capable for its size. They are available dirt cheap these days, $10K for perfect condition ones. No fast charging, but you can get 10-90% in 5 hours of level 2 charging. It even has a heat pump heater, but no battery cooling or heating, so works best in mild climates.

Physical buttons. Carplay. 0-60 in 6.5 seconds and wide enough tires, so it can keep up.

▲kazinator 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kia Niro is where the Koreans have invested their stuipd; a stateful panel in which volume and temperature knobs are multiplexed, and and so are tactile-free touch places on the panel between them. And it won't stay in the same mode; it changes it behind your back. You think the knob is volume because you last tweaked it a minute ago, but nope, you are messing with the temperature now.

▲kpil 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think Volkswagen ID.4 is alright. It's perhaps a bit small. Also - I kind of like the ID.Buzz though not sure if it will sell.

Not quite normal but not "future" - the Renault 5 E-tech electric is nice but I don't think it's available in the US.

▲Brendinooo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Was just looking at the Buzz today - unfortunately, seems like it's already dead (and there are some insane incentives out there to move what's left).

It was too expensive!

▲twoodfin an hour ago | parent [-]

VW is planning a slightly modified 2027 model after skipping 2026.

My wife bought one of the first edition models. Other than the lousy range, it’s incredibly cool.

▲dzhiurgis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

3 button presses just to start driving. I hated kona so bad. Annoying bing bongs, no app and of course we hit wheel of fortune issue.

▲kazinator 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was without a car for half a year 2026-02 to 2026-08 and drove a number of electrics from the local car share (where I've had a membership since around 2011). Hyudai Kona, Kia Niro, Chevy Bolt, ...

I had a good camping experience with the Niro. Since Kia doesn't believe in spare tires being default, I was able to stuff sleeping bags, beds and a bunch of other stuff all underneath the hatchback floor, in all that secret space, leaving a ton of room above for everything else.

I like the acceleration and quiet/clean operation of electrics, but in the end I got a 6 speed manual.

Electrics are super dangerous; they accelerate like souped-up competitive track cars. They really need to tone that down: use much smaller motors with less torque, and hack the software to cap the acceleration.

I'm a much calmer driver in a manual. I'm driving for fuel economy, so I'm always in a gear where I have no power. (And in a 6 speed that has about the range of a 5 speed, there is always a good gear to be in at city speeds, where you are at between 1500-1800 RPM). So, I cannot just step on the accelerator on a whim because that will usually do nothing. There is an activation energy for speeding up, due to the chore of shifting down, which discourages doing it casually. In an electric it's like, oh, I suddenly see this opportunity, and blam: you're on the accelerator and the distance between here and there is erased faster than you can hit backspace.

▲kccqzy 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

At one point my car had a firmware update that made the Eco mode sluggish in acceleration. I thought it made perfect sense; being economical in battery use means limiting acceleration. It received so much backlash that the manufacturer had to issue a subsequent update to increase the acceleration cap.

▲dzhiurgis 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲kazinator 4 hours ago | parent [-]

They are boring to drive. Using an electric car has the all the fun of running a load of dishes through the dishwasher.

I have to drive quite a bit because kids. If I like the driving, it's less of a chore.

With a manual car, I never grumble when I have to drive, even if it takes me away from something fun.

▲dzhiurgis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

TBF if you driving with kids, you don't want an interesting ride. But my Tesla is pretty sporty tho, far more fun than Chinese electrics that have softened ride.

▲kazinator an hour ago | parent [-]

"Sporty" isn't what is interesting for me. Any kind of driving is nicer in a manual; including obeying all speed limits, giving right of way, stopping for pedestrians, etc.

I try to make it so that you can't feel that I'm changing gears, and that's next to impossible under "sporty" driving, where you can't hide the difference between hard acceleration and no acceleration during the rev hangs.

6 speeds gearboxes that have about the range of 5 speeds are great for smooth gear changes because the gear ratios are closer, and so if you accelerate gently and shift at low RPMs, the rev hangs are very quick. You can also gently pause and resume accelerations and shift during the pauses. The last shift at cruising speed is free of acceleration also.

I also use cruise control whenever possible. That's all the self-driving I need, thank you very much. Previous manual cars I've driven didn't have it! Manual + cruise = super!

▲artisinal 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Funny, I will not buy a car that has an app.

▲dzhiurgis 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

To each their own, but hard to grasp why. It's one the most expensive assets you own. Why wouldn't you want to monitor it at least?

Do you also not have house monitoring (you don't need to control every light switch (which can be useful to have lights on when you get back home), but things like temperature, humidity, power use, air quality, water use/leaks is far cheaper than 1 insurance claim).