| ▲ | movsx 5 hours ago |
| Might someone know whether banking apps worldwide will work? |
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| ▲ | ciferkey 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This site tracks the status of what apps work: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... The official GrapheneOS docs contains a developer guide on how to fix banking apps when they are not working. Bank app developers have been surprisingly receptive to making the changes, weirdly enough. You can see in some of the issues tracked on the site where people reached out and the developers eventually made the apps work. I've been running GrapheneOS for a while (I have posts on the blog in my bio if you want to see some day-to-day info) and only one bank app gave me trouble. I had to toggle a setting and then everything worked. Separate from this is wallet and payment apps which still have not had much traction on GrapheneOS. |
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| ▲ | mitxela 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I was also surprised by the banking app experience. After making me verify my identity about 10 times to prove I'm me and not a hacker, they finally let me use it... I've heard some people had good results by going to their bank branch and demanding them to unblock their phone or they'll close their account. Apparently they have a checkbox to disable phone attestation requirements for a customer. | |
| ▲ | chneu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Heh. USA user here. Several of the apps that say they work I have been unable to get to work. So anyone reading this, be aware your experience may differ. I'm on a pixel 10 pro and have never been able to get some of banking apps to work, despite the list saying they should. | | |
| ▲ | estebank 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is likely a crapshoot, and while that list is informative it is necessarily a snapshot in time. FWIW, my banking apps have worked with no issues and have worked continuously since I migrated to GrapheneOS. I do have Play Services installed to be able to use Android Auto, and that required some fiddling with permissions before it started working, so your mileage may vary. By far the biggest annoyance for me is group text messages not being delivered while using an alternative user account, but that's a niche setup I guess. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Separate from this is wallet and payment apps which still have not had much traction on GrapheneOS. Curve works in Europe and Paypal has a trial thing in Germany for tap to pay IIRC. There's nothing in the US unfortunately, yet. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you want more security and privacy, don't use your phone for payment - use your card. | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know if that's really significant. But yeah technically you give up less information by using the card directly instead. But it's like going from 98% privacy loss to 99%. Cash and Monero are private so they're in a different space and are what should be prioritized. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's more difference than you think. Your card isn't logged into Google, Facebook, Signal and so on. It doesn't route through Cloudflare. It doesn't even connect to T-Mobile, Verizon, or Stingray automatically. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can check your specific app here: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... GrapheneOS has convinced apps to add compatibility. Hell, Roblox has official GrapheneOS support. The idea is to get more users in order to convince the very few apps that block GrapheneOS, to support it. |
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| ▲ | drnick1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Probably not, because of Google attestation, the cancer of Android. |
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| ▲ | microtonal 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My banks (in Europe) work fine. The primary thing that is missing is tap-to-pay because Google is abusing its monopoly position and not letting GrapheneOS pass remote attestation. There are some apps that have their own tap-to-pay, such as Curve in most of Europe and PayPal in Germany, but they don't work great everywhere (e.g. where I live, all payment terminals accept tap-to-pay based on debit cards, but more than 50% does not accept credit card-based tap-to-pay, so something like Curve or Garmin Pay doesn't work in many stores). At any rate, there is a well-maintained list here: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... | | |
| ▲ | adikso 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didn't notice anything suggesting that Curve is "credit card-based" (from what I remember it was advertising debit in EMV). Curve worked for me everywhere in Poland, Czechia, Germany, Austria, Romania and Sweden. |
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| ▲ | qurren 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | FWIW the financial institutions I use (all major US brokerages) have no issues with Google attestation, and if they implemented it I'd just move all my assets out to a different one. I don't regularly use an actual bank account anymore, the cash management solutions from these brokerages work great and can do everything including direct deposit, payments, wire transfers, and ATM/debit cards, and have SIPC protection in place of FDIC. | | |
| ▲ | armadyl 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Some banks are open (well as much as a financial institution can be) to GrapheneOS too. Navy Federal implemented attestation and then rolled it back once they heard from GOS users which was super cool of them and honestly unexpected. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If they have legal requirements for attestation, they also have the option to properly attest Graphene. | | |
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| ▲ | wing-_-nuts 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | vanguard? I have considered just closing my bank account and having my paycheck direct deposited there |
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| ▲ | lawn 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Everything in Sweden I've tried works. |
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| ▲ | EmbarrassedHelp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I imagine that banking apps will begin to have better support for GrapheneOS as it rises in popularity. |
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| ▲ | Pfhortune 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Amongst the several banks I deal with, only one uses Google's attestation framework in a way that blocks GrapheneOS. That said, the website still works fine for that one. |
