| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago |
| Absolutely 100%. Now I'm very biased against this "AI" stuff in general, but even fans of "AI" can't want this, right? I mean I know some people who are heavy "AI" users and they all either have a setup with Cursor/Codex/Zed/VSCode/whatever or their preferred local model, they'd never ever want to use "whatever Apple happens to ship with the OS". Same with the model Google bundled into their browser, growing Chrome from roughly 200MB to over 4GB. Who's the target audience here? It's investors isn't it. |
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| ▲ | jm4 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I actually like AI tools, but I don’t use Apple Intelligence. It’s literally the worst in class. It feels very late 90’s Microsoft. They are shoving it on us when we don’t want it and it’s worse than everything else out there. It’s the Windows Media Player of the AI industry. |
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| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It’s literally the worst in class. It feels very late 90’s Microsoft. 1. I was around in the 90’s; nothing today is that bad. 2. Siri AI is dramatically better than old-school Siri. You don’t realize how useful personal context is until you have it. Something like “When was the last time I went to that pizza place downtown?”—it just works. When you call the airline about your flight, your flight info automatically shows up. | | |
| ▲ | jm4 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I was around in the 90's too, which is why I can confidently say it is that bad. What Apple is doing with AI today is exactly the same formula as some of the worst stuff Microsoft put out back then. I'm not talking about the big things. More like the bundled apps where they see someone else getting traction with something and then they go and bundle their own K-Mart version of it that no one asked for. | |
| ▲ | mort96 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yet something like "Call <name of a person>" will still immediately call someone with a completely different name without even letting me cancel, right? Siri is completely useless. |
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| ▲ | MarcScott 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, there are a tonne of Apple users that aren't developers, that will probably love this. They'll currently be using paid subscriptions to OpenAI, but only via the web app, and will happily switch to using Apple Intelligence. |
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| ▲ | dd8601fn 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I’m a developer. The pitch isn’t that it will replace claude or codex runing 284 agents vibeslopping for me. It’s that Siri is pretty damn good now, with safe access the data I kinda wish could be accessed safely by an assistant. It has a ways to go on some of the productivity stuff, and third parties have work to do, but that’s fine. They built a better foundation than anyone else has for its purpose. | |
| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is Apple Intelligence's local models better than free ChatGPT? | | |
| ▲ | alwillis 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wrong question, even though Siri AI has a plugin for ChatGPT you don’t need an account for, even if you have one. At the same time, ask stock ChatGPT when your next dentist appointment is. It can’t but Siri AI can. |
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| ▲ | logancbrown 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can't imagine a singular person and reason who would want an improved Siri? |
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| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | On their laptop? No, not really. I guess the selling point is that your computer now suggests file names for you? | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The selling point is being able to say things like "remind me about the next early release from school the night before" and it'll dig up the info from your emails and then create the reminder. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And people really trust the bot to do that stuff for them? They risk letting down their kid by not being there to pick them up just to save half a minute of finding the right email? That sounds crazy to me, creating a reminder isn't exactly hard | | |
| ▲ | brailsafe 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Parents—in many places—already let themselves rely entirely on driving their kids to every activity, which puts them at much higher risk of getting maimed in an accident under a guise of efficiency and spurious claims of other danger imposed by living closer to people and the activities that their kids could get themselves to. Many people are lazy, fearful, and prioritize comfort and control over all else, therefore it doesn't surprise me at all to hear people would opt for the convenience whenever an opportunity strikes. | |
| ▲ | wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It shows where it found the information. In this case, it included a link to a text message from the school which had this info, and quoted it so I could see that it got it right, and it shows the reminder it created so I could see that it's correct. I don't really have to trust it, I can see that it's working. | | |
| ▲ | pawelduda 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe you have 5 relevant calendar events but it lists 3 and calls it a day. That is from my experience far bigger type of problem with AI. Hallucination by omission |
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| ▲ | blauditore 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's exactly what big tech executives and AI bros don't get: It would be useful to use AI for the grudgy but verifiable sub-steps of such a task, e.g. have it help with the email search, and have it suggest a reminder. Or even better, suggest creating a reminder when receiving/reading the email. But leave the user in control, and provide evidence and transparency. Instead, many companies put their bets on the long-shot, do-it-all assistent AI, but technology is just not there yet, or maybe never will even. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I could definitely imagine using a system where I could type in Spotlight "that message about early release from school", hit enter, and have the e-mail or SMS or Signal message or whatever show up in front of me. Boring, non-sexy "better search" style "AI" which is actually useful but doesn't appeal to investors. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 an hour ago | parent [-] | | We have that now. The "remind me" part is entirely optional. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I just tried, without disabling anything in Golden Gate. It did an iCloud Drive search. It doesn't seem to be working very well. | | |
| ▲ | EricE 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Did you go into Siri and join the waitlist for Apple Intelligence? If not, you’re still using spotlight so the behavior is 100% expected. Yes, Apple could do a better job making it more obvious but then again Apple Intelligence is Beta so I can see why they require a positive action right now to enable it. |
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| ▲ | burningChrome 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I had better success with earlier versions. For me Siri has regressed so much and had become so unreliable, that having to constantly repeat or rephrase or delete whatever nonsense it was doing was so frustrating, I stopped using it years ago. Its quite the paradox when Apple is pushing Apple Intelligence so hard, yet their assistant that's been around for 15 years can't do even basic things now. | | |
| ▲ | EricE 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And this right here is why I think Apple should have renamed the new stuff to something else. Go into Settings/Siri, enable Apple Intelligence (you will probably have to join the waitlist), give it a day or two to re-index and then try. I think you will be astonished at the difference in behavior. It's night and day. |
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| ▲ | howunfortunate 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's pretty nice from an app developers perspective. It allows me to save money by calling a model on the users device rather than spending tokens (or forcing the user to spend tokens). |
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| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | What does your users want your app to do with a language model? | | |
| ▲ | californical 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can imagine lots of things- mainly around making short summaries so the user can choose things more easily, or maybe as a smart autocomplete. I can imagine a home automation app helping you build a workflow with an LLM. Or an RSS reader giving you a short summary of each article. A health app being able to pull recipes into a standard format. Maybe a fitness app being able to search your workout history if you give it good tools. Idk I usually use my phone for reading HN on the toilet and listening to podcasts while cleaning, not much else. I don’t know what else people even do with a phone lol. But those are things I’ve done in the past that LLMs could be helpful for! | | |
| ▲ | mort96 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is this based on user feedback for your app? Do they want your app to feature home automation or making short summaries? Since you were using your app as an example I mean | | |
| ▲ | howunfortunate 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not OP, but in my case they are features we already provide that we can make cheaper (for ourselves) by doing it on the user's device rather than paying OpenAI for it. |
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| ▲ | howunfortunate 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lots of use cases. Image understanding / labeling is what I had in mind. But also voice-to-text, (certain kinds of) search, document summarization, are common things that I could see many apps using Apple Intelligence for. |
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| ▲ | eastbound 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think a large part of our ecosystem is: 1. Lose the user, make him struggle to find items in the Start menu (Windows), struggle to type words on the keyboard (iOS), or struggle to manage find their subscription (Atlassian), 2. ??? 3. Profit If it's a dark pattern, I'd like to know what step 2 is. Who knows, maybe the goal is to overwhelm the user and it's a spy operation from the KGB. |
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