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| ▲ | root_axis 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The consistent through-line of Greenwald's journalism from the Bush era through to the Trump era is an anti-u.s pro Russia narrative. |
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| ▲ | mopsi 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I think we have to distinguish between people who outright post Russian propaganda like Scott Ritter and people like Greenwald and Mearsheimer who say the Ukraine war is a US proxy war and was provoked.
The Russian government literally finances Mearsheimer's books. It's written on the title page. Doesn't get any closer to government propaganda than that. |
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| ▲ | 3hG1 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Valdai financing in 2023 does look bad. But his 2015 talk "Why Ukraine is the West's fault" does not appear to have any financing and says the same already. In 1993 he advocated for Ukraine to keep nuclear weapons: https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mears... All is in line with his realist great powers philosophy (the 1993 analysis differs of course because there was no significant NATO expansion yet). I'm sure he would take CNN money, too, but they don't invite him. That is the problem if you isolate people. | | |
| ▲ | mopsi 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I found the debate with Sikorski very illuminating. Sikorski is the foreign minister of Poland, with a long and distinguished career in the US (scholar) and EU (MEP) in addition to Poland. He's been in the dirt too, covered the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an on-location reporter in the 1980s. During the debate, Mearsheimer tried to lecture him about things that went on at diplomatic gatherings where Sikorski was present (and led a delegation) and Mearsheimer was not. He's a total hack and his brand of "realism" has nothing to do with reality. Dude can't even read Russian, yet thinks he's an expert on Russia. The only reason we're discussing him here right now is because Russian troll army has been promoting him hard; like most charlatans, he has the appearance of someone who knows what they're talking about. Mearsheimer says that there's no evidence Putin had imperial ambitions before 24 Feb 2022; that the war has forced him into this. Some of the closest people to Putin say that he told them fucking 20 years ago what he was going to do with Ukraine. | | |
| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mearsheimer is weird. His book "Israel lobby and US foreign policy" is outstanding. But when he speaks about many other things it feels like he's improvising all the time. |
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| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Suppose that I grant you that the Ukraine war was "provoked by the US" - which I most certainly don't. But suppose. It might still be the case that something is true AND propaganda. Good propaganda has a grain of truth. The key for identifying propaganda isn't "is a statement false?" but "is one of the sides pushing the statement, because it's benefitial for them". In this sense, "the Ukraine war was provoked by the US" would be propaganda even if it were true - which it's not. That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim. |
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| ▲ | 123886 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | > That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim. That is a fine example of propaganda: All people, including historians who evaluate different possibilities, surely want to paint Russia as the victim! You are literally forbidding people to think. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tragic: "No Way To Prevent This" Claims Only World Superpower Losing 10,000+ Personnel Per Month | | |
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