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ekjhgkejhgk 19 hours ago

Suppose that I grant you that the Ukraine war was "provoked by the US" - which I most certainly don't. But suppose.

It might still be the case that something is true AND propaganda. Good propaganda has a grain of truth. The key for identifying propaganda isn't "is a statement false?" but "is one of the sides pushing the statement, because it's benefitial for them". In this sense, "the Ukraine war was provoked by the US" would be propaganda even if it were true - which it's not.

That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim.

123886 19 hours ago | parent [-]

> That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim.

That is a fine example of propaganda: All people, including historians who evaluate different possibilities, surely want to paint Russia as the victim!

You are literally forbidding people to think.

bigyabai 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Tragic: "No Way To Prevent This" Claims Only World Superpower Losing 10,000+ Personnel Per Month

pphysch 16 hours ago | parent [-]

According to the other side.

bigyabai 15 hours ago | parent [-]

10,000/month is a conservative estimate. The Kremlin isn't denying it.

throwaway85825 14 hours ago | parent [-]

As long as theyre criminals or drunks it's considered a positive. In Russia the value of life is often negative.