Building up strawmen against LLMs will only make the hypers look more reasonable. A language model responds to inouts exactly as a model of anything else would. That is enough to explain all the "intelligence" without believing a model is somehow a "new kind of mind". Those who think LLMs are intelligent don't know enough about models. And those who think they are useless don't know enough about models.

Anyone that thinks that they know anything about intelligent needs to realize they don't know shit about intelligence.

Ever since people started talking LLMs possibly being AGI I realized I didn't know what the intelligence part really meant at a more fundamental level. This lead me to realize almost anyone when anyone says intelligence on the internet they really mean

"Intelligence is like porn, I'll know it when I see it".

Anyone who thinks LLMs are intelligent is either dumber than you, or has way more knowledge on the subject than you.

Michael Levin has a good body of work on biological intelligent at small scales that can really change one's views on this.

I think LLMs are intelligent. What don’t I understand about them that would make me change my mind? Keeping in mind that for me “intelligence” is the ability to solve complicated, intellectually demanding problems, and to understand novel concepts.

To all commenters who think LLMs are intelligent and comparable to themselves, you don't need me to change your mind. I believe you.

So once we have online learning in LLMs, what do you think you will have that makes you intelligent but not LLMs? Better learning efficiency? That will be improved as well.

I think we need to start moving on from the term LLMs because it clearly confuses people since they started modelling more than just language.