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vova_hn2 5 hours ago

I find it kinda funny that even "smartest", most capable models often have a very hard time going beyond surface-level, top-of-mind associations, when faced with creative tasks.

Of course, a "Japanese Minimal Poster" has a sakura and a stylized flag of Japan, duh

A human designer would probably think that "Japan -> sakura" and "Japan -> Japanese flag" are way too obvious, too banal, too stereotypical, and, most importantly too boring. And then they would probably sit for a while and try to think of something fresher and less clichéd.

But AI has absolutely no problem with going with the cheesiest, most overused trope.

ereiamjh 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Author here.

Well of course Spring + Japan = Sakura. In a way the model would be faulty if it didn't reach for that cliché. That's what it's meant to do.

If you want originality, you need to supply it. AI fills the vacuum with the obvious thing.

And in a way that's a feature. If I was creating a poster myself I'd think "nah, can't use sakura it's too obvious". AI gets you past that hurdle. "Yeah, we used the cliché, it looks nice, let's move on".

This is if it's for a school fayre, village fête, etc. - brilliant originality isn't the goal. But it's nice when your poster doesn't look the same as three other posters on the same noticeboard (I have seen this).

If brilliant originality is needed, a human has to bring it. Although an LLM with the temperature turned up can offer some nice seeds.

iandanforth 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you need pseudo-originality I have a skill for that: https://github.com/iandanforth/force-associations

ManuelKiessling 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"AI fills the vacuum with the obvious thing."

I like that a lot.

oliwarner 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a prompt problem.

If you named a Japanese artist or style rather than giving an adjective derived from a country, you might get something that wasn't national wank.

Yes, a human might do this step for you. A mediocre one might not.

bluefirebrand 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Yes, a human might do this step for you

An artist (even a mediocre one) almost certainly would do this step for you

raincole 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah because... AI is a tool, not an artist. In other words water is wet.

kalleboo an hour ago | parent [-]

The reason it isn't obvious is because the tool is marketed as replacing the artists, and that's how people are using it.

Also what the author of this post did could easily be added to the training/harness/skills of ChatGPT in a future version.

MichaelZuo an hour ago | parent [-]

Of course they have ulterior motives to push the message that it can replace high quality human artists, even though that would be ridiculous under any serious analysis.

That doesnt mean you have to believe them.

phoghed an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yes they should have gone with that one wave

mysterydip 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn’t the most overused trope the most statistically weighted to be chosen from a group of options? It makes technical sense but as you say leads to boring outcomes

glenstein 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I see what you mean, but I think you can draw (no pun intended) a distinction between trope following and having a skill, or at least should notionally be able to.

danpasca 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But AI has absolutely no problem with going with the cheesiest, most overused trope.

Considering your prompt fits exactly that description I think the AI delivered perfectly. Try using some actual design language and see how well it does.

afpx 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The thing is, they aren't creative. When I ask an LLM to go beyond the mean, it has no idea what to do and returns incoherance. Its responses seem to have N latent dimensions of information. But, the value of each of those dimensions is always the midpoint. With creative prompting, I can push it to respond in ways that go beyond the mean, but it can't tie them together cohesively. It doesn't have anything in its training data to fill the hole in space. No ability to extrapolate.

danpasca 4 hours ago | parent [-]

My point is that those kinds of prompts are dumb and I actually expect the model to produce slop. In programming we write these huge prompts that go into a lot of detail, and when we do that, it actually works. I've never asked a coding agent to go beyond the mean, that just sounds like a dumb thing to do. Apply this rule in design and I'm sure you'll get better results. Kinda what the blog post is all about.

boredhedgehog 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The masses love clichés and stereotypes, which is why these "artiste" designers frequently miss their target audience.

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jfewhfuehg 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you understand how curve fitting works, then it is a very predictable outcome.

Avicebron 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, but what's interesting is if you tell it to "behave unpredictably" or "don't use tropes" it usually fails down the same curve. Which is predictable, but telling.

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nephihaha 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I remember seeing a poster for Chinese New Year years ago, and someone had included the kanji for Japan on it (日本). Obviously they just wanted generic looking characters without bothering to see what they meant. I couldn't resist writing a comment on the poster about it.

It showed whoever did it had no clue about East Asia or Chinese script...

refactor_master 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you insinuating those 1970s fonts takeout fonts aren’t actually how Chinese people communicate? I knew they were AI!

micromacrofoot 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

for the price you pay ai you would 100% get a cherry blossom tree from an inexperienced designer

edude03 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ai costs under $10 though, you wouldn’t be able to hire a human for that