Every time you're writing software or building machines/factories (which is automating things), you are committing a crime. Every time you learn from your superiors or colleagues, get better than them, get promotion or they get fired, you are committing a crime. Provide justice there first.

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Gud 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Theres a big difference.

We have social conventions regulating this.

Suddenly, mega corporations were allowed to digest(sometimes by illegally pirating “data”, and sometimes by achieving their training corpus and subsequently destroying the copies) and digest this information in a novel way, without any discussion or law making.

You may argue it’s beneficial (it very well could be, I use ChatGPT and Claude all the time), but let’s not pretend it’s the same as learning from your history teacher…

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CrimsonRain 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Social conventions are regressive and are followed blindly by luddites. Real progress comes from doing what is right and breaking idiotic conventions.

Pirating is fine.

Subsequently destroying is bad but it is the result of screeching from people lacking foresight who support the idea of training LLM on book copies is wrong. So now corps found "legal" way to do it by destroying it. Again, idiotic social conventions.

Without discussing? Law making? What are you, German? There's a reason EU is shit while USA is center of the progress of the world: laws follow innovation; not the other way around.

	▲	HumblyTossed 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		When society becomes a free-for-all of people with haves making it impossible for the people with have little to have anything at all, it begins to collapse. People have no incentive to treat anyone else with dignity and respect. They no longer take care of one another. See you on the way down.
	▲	Gud 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Have you been to "the EU"? It's a very diverse place and hardly "shit".

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oblio 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Scale matters.

The average human doesn't do much on his own, and definitely doesn't uproot society or risk siphoning/leeching wealth from every person on this planet.

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CrimsonRain 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, the whole IT sector is built on it. Robbing jobs, money, power, opportunities from billions of people and delegating them in to shitty jobs.

Average human on his own...why draw the line there? It doesn't matter much what one human does...but what many/collective/society do and society has been "ripping off", "uprooting", "leeching (read: creating)" wealth since dawn of time. It is called PROGRESS.

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oblio 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> It is called PROGRESS.

There is no such thing as PROGRESS for progress' sake.

And FYI, agriculture is a wonderful invention.

Yet for about 5000 years after its introduction the average human had worse nutrition than the average hunter gatherer, which led to such things as height decreases for those 5000 years.

Industrial agriculture is another wonderful invention. Yet 150 years later we're not sure it's sustainable and it's likely many of its aspects aren't, which will raise some sticky issues soon ("which billion people do we decide to let starve since we can't make enough food for everyone after most of our soil eroded?"). Repeat this for industrial textile production, mining, etc.

I won't even go into climate change.

And again, scale matters. Most individuals can only control what they do, and what they do generally doesn't impact much. But companies can impact a whole lot.

> "ripping off", "uprooting", "leeching (read: creating)" wealth

Let's not be 100% cynical here. A lot of what humanity has achieved has been genuine wealth creation and distribution/re-distribution. I would say more wealth has been created than leeched off.

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And before you think I'm some starry eyed teen, I'll play the game. At the end of the day, me and mine have to outrun you in the face of PROGRESS.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

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CrimsonRain 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yet our world can feed billions of people. More people are alive today than more people ever lived in this floating rock. Most people are living better than kings from 200 years ago.

We invent. We make progress. We make course correction. We end up in a better place.

Climate change? Lmao. We were told by 2000 20% of our country will be under water... It's 2026. Not under water yet.

What amount of pesky human intervention (positive or negative) will affect earth waking up from it's cold climate? Not luddites and their cow farts are global warming.

The real fight with "climate change" will be done with planetary scale technology derived from massive amounts of technical progress and energy production.

Your argument is as good as I should throw trash in the road or plastic in the sea. I'm just one individual. It doesn't matter. I'm not making the whole society do it!!

I fully agree with you. It is survival of the fittest in the face of progress. Competition is essential. That's how society grows. Humans prosper. May the odds be in your favor too.

	▲	oblio 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Next time can you please start with stuff like this: "Climate change? Lmao." so that everyone reasonable can ignore you? The science beihnd climate change is accepted by freaking BP and Esso.