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mikae1 8 hours ago

When was the last time you felt excitement for a macOS release?

Me? Snow Leopard.

When I transitioned to Linux I rediscovered OS excitement. I'm on KDE Plasma now and every update has exciting features that serves my interests.

ValentineC 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I dread new macOS releases, because it signifies one year less support for my current version (I'm on Sequoia now, having jumped from Ventura) being supported.

Every new version wrecks my workflow a little. macOS 28 will partially remove Rosetta 2, which means that I'll need to find replacements for some of the ancient Intel apps that never got updated to Apple Silicon.

Toslink 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

MacOS 27 also uninstalls Rosetta 2 (if it was previously installed) upon upgrading. [0] "If Rosetta was previously installed, it is not automatically restored after upgrading to macOS 27.0. (163213094)"

Most applications now have native Apple Silicon binaries, although a handful still don't. You can check by navigating to the Apple icon > "About This Mac" > "More Info" > "System Report" > Software > Applications.

We had some printers with drivers who don't support Apple Silicon, thus they need Rosetta2, those filter files aren't displayed in the above menu, although you can run this script (papercut_rosetta_audit.sh) to audit your Drivers and their x86 dependence. [1].

[0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-note... [1] https://www.papercut.com/kb/Main/macos-rosetta-transition-en...

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Telaneo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm stuck trying to figure out what new stuff they could add. Sidecar was neat, but I never need it. I'm very happy on Cinnamon on Linux, which is probably less featured than KDE (haven't daily driven it to confirm), which just confirms I don't actually need or want user-facing new features. I need stability.

I think Apple realise this. There are no genuine new OS features to be added, so they just shuffle things around so that things are changing and thus seem fresh and hip. For anyone who cares about stability and doesn't want to relearn everything they shuffle around, this is nothing but a negative, but Apple et al. have no other levers to pull (well, there's the AI lever, but that's also generally not a positive in and of itself).

Maybe there are new OS features that could be useful, but creating and integrating them in a way that's actually helpful is just such an ordeal that nobody will do it.

lambda_foo 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Early on with OSX I would update early because the new features in the OS were truely interesting (AFP, Dtrace, Spotlight, Early Siri, Messages sync with iPhone). Yes all very developer oriented, but I am a developer and that's primarily what I use my machines for. Releases like Snow Leopard and Tiger were full of novel features. Now I find most of the copy is dedicated to things I couldn't care less about like generative AI images or questionable redesigns of the UI.

I would love a review of the new developer and OS level features for macOS releases. The WWDC content is close to unwatchable, it never goes into enough depth and the video only delivery is not the primary way I want to consume technical content. Give me the cool highlights of the virtualisation framework, what still works with Dtrace , explain the infernal code signing permissions system, etc.

So far I've kept to Sequoia as the least annoying version, and avoided the Liquid Glass rounded corners mess.

ekun 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A functioning window system would drastically enhance OSX productivity.

cosmic_cheese 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Window management (and indeed, desktop environments in general) are rather subjective I think. As someone who's been using Macs in some capacity since 1996 I'd be upset if macOS suddenly resembled a traditional Windows desktop or tiling WM thing, and the absence of Mac-like desktops on Linux (no, GNOME and elementary/Pantheon are not that) is one of the primary factors keeping me from switching.

thefunnyman 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Window management got better in Mac os but only recently with the addition of window snapping. You could do it before, but you had to drag from the green stoplight button which was an annoying mouse target vs the entire top bar.

Personally I do like the windows approach where there's a bar at the top with a few preselected zones you can use that shows up when dragging a window but the state of things on Mac os now is fine enough that things like that can reasonably be left up to extensions.

What exactly do you miss about the Mac desktops when using gnome's? For me the only thing I've noticed is lack of independent desktops per monitor though Windows also suffers that deficiency.

cosmic_cheese 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> What exactly do you miss about the Mac desktops when using gnome's? For me the only thing I've noticed is lack of independent desktops per monitor though Windows also suffers that deficiency.

No independent desktops is indeed a big one and irks me just as much under Windows (which somehow in 2026 still can't even set per-monitor desktop pictures without glueing images together in Paint).

On a whole, GNOME is just too simplistic. Where the Mac Way™ (especially in the 2000s) is thoughtfully implemented progressive disclosure of advanced features, the GNOME Way™ is to check if they make the cut for the app's toolbar or "junk drawer" hamburger menu and if not, strip the feature entirely.

It almost feels like they took a tablet OS and then adapted it somewhat to desktop use. That's the vibe I get from the DE itself as well as from the barebones (if pretty) apps that its community tends to produce. It's not as locked down as a tablet OS obviously — there's full fat Linux sitting underneath after all — but I'm always fighting it trying to turn it into a proper desktop experience with GNOME Tweaks and extensions (which constantly break).

An easy way to see the difference in philosophies is to compare the number of settings surfaced in GNOME Settings to that of the settings app for any Mac OS made in the past 20 years. GNOME Settings offers relatively little to tweak where System (Preferences|Settings) has a list that's closer (though not as long) to that of the KDE Settings app.

And of course, no global menubar. KDE lets users enable this but unfortunately many apps do not populate it.

bigyabai 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> It almost feels like they took a tablet OS and then adapted it somewhat to desktop use.

GNOME is designed to be touch-agnostic, which makes better use of padded UIs than macOS 11+ does. With a rumored touchscreen Macbook still coming down the line, I think GTK and the GNOME developers skated to where the puck was headed. macOS and iPadOS are both constrained for touchscreen users. GNOME is kinda the perfect UI for where Apple sees hardware converging.

I don't think GNOME can adopt any more macOS idiosyncrasies without being a worse holistic experience. The Overview/search accelerator on the Super key is faster than Spotlight search. The desktop switcher is a better-supported use of the menubar than forcing an unsupported global cluster. GNOME could try to cram these round pegs into their square hole, but they know it wouldn't improve things.

cosmic_cheese 6 hours ago | parent [-]

And that’s fair, GNOME doesn’t need to be a macOS-alike, but it’d be nice if something was!

As an aside, I have yet to be convinced that touch on desktop operating systems makes any kind of sense and the MacBook Ultra or whatever it ends up being called is unlikely to change my opinion on that. I much prefer an old-style low-whitespace, data-dense, pointer-first UI like OS X used to have. I’m tired of the virtual real estate on my screens declining year after year for the sake of functionality I’ll never use.

bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think that data-dense paradigm died with Catalina, sadly. GTK/Libadwaita has a lot of room for improvement, but I've come around substantially on their direction. Touch UIs are an inevitability of HID, and most attempts at accommodating them (cough Windows 8 cough) go too far towards alienating desktop users. A compromise has to be made that supports tablets, phones and desktops in the same UI, or else GTK will have to reinvent the wheel for each platform it supports. The final product GNOME settled on wasn't one I liked at first, but it's admittedly super polished on my Magic Trackpad and touchscreen laptop. Apps like Tuba[0] and Resources[1] are high-quality apps in every aspect ratio and input method. It doesn't feel awkward to poke at or click on at all, despite the glut of padding.

The future of desktop computing is probably going to be weird. I don't know how companies like Microsoft will manage to curb-cut their OS while also expanding to new UI/UX paradigms. Simplicity feels like a safe bet, and there's a lot of runway left to build the plane before the wheels go up.

[0] https://flathub.org/en/apps/dev.geopjr.Tuba

[1] https://flathub.org/en/apps/net.nokyan.Resources

cosmic_cheese 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s the beauty of Linux though, users can use the software that suits them best, at least in theory (said software needs to first exist). Even if it’s deemed a dead end by some, data-dense desktops of various flavors can continue to exist for the users who prefer them.

GTK/Adwaita themselves aren’t terrible (particularly with CSS to tone down the acres of padding) but I still take issue with the quasi-mobile app direction in GNOME-oriented apps.

armadyl 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same, I enjoy both the current macOS and iPadOS windowing systems. Everything else I tried on linux felt like an extreme downgrade.

elAhmo 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Someone who does need a window system can use many of the hundreds of tools available, or use something custom. Regular uses don't really care about window management systems.

noir_lord 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cinnamon was what I used before KDE, I like KDE a great deal but I also liked Cinnamon a great deal, if I had to go back it wouldn't cause me any issues, I only switched for Wayland support.

So if you are happy on Cinnamon stay there (and it's Wayland support has caught up a lot).

They both do an excellent job of not causing me pain, working the way I want and respecting me as a user, that's what a DE should be, if I have to consider the DE more than in passing it's failing at been a DE.

dr_dshiv 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Something to improve my mess of ~22 active terminal windows comes to mind.

Telaneo 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Christ.

On some level, this is probably something your terminal emulator should handle, just as your web browser should handle a mess of 22 tabs, but I don't think we've really come up with good solutions there either. It's hard to implement features nobody's though of.

mijowi 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Terminal emulators have tabs and windows already, even macOS’ built in terminal, so what do you mean?

Telaneo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That solutions like tabs should be the responsibility of the terminal emulator you're using, and not the greater OS.

fragmede 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Should it? In terms of window management, what's ideal? Should every program have to implement tabs and then have its own tab manager, and bookmarks and favorites? If we take a step back and look at the bigger window management problem, what makes the most sense for most users? Monitors these days are relatively cheap, so the fight for screen real estate isn't the same problem as it once was. The onus is on the operating system to make it better for the user to arrange things how they want things to work.

dr_dshiv 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Terminal should be responsibility of OS. God knows it’s deep enough. It could be so much better—and it matters!

I know expecting UX innovation from Apple is laughable, but there was a time…

airstrike 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FWIW I use aerospace and break up those 22 windows into ~4-6 windows with ~3-5 tabs each, then move each window to a different virtual workspace that I switch to with option + hotkey like opt+1, opt+2, opt+3 or even opt+D and so on

reddit_clone 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you tried other 3rd party terminal applications? (Iterm, ghostel, CMux)

They have many quality of life improvements over the basic terminal.

dr_dshiv 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I use Ghostty. I’ve tried iterm and cmux.

I think we can do better. It’s a hard problem, admittedly. But important.

quesera 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm sure you've considered and rejected tmux, but is this only because it has a different UI than a native OS app?

FuckButtons 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Tmux

rconti 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been pleasantly surprised with Golden Gate. It's fresh-looking, works well, got rid of a lot of the ugly flat stuff they did over the last few releases (pre-Tahoe), supports more hidpi modes that make my work machine better...

But honestly, I don't think the average person should feel excitement for an OS release; boring means it just works and they don't have to learn a bunch of new features and different ways of doing things.

simlevesque 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yesterday I managed to update a 2015 MacBookAir7,2 from El Capitan (last update Sep. 2015) to Sonoma (last update Aug 6th 2026). I was excited when it finally worked.

Thanks to the OpenCore Legacy Patcher who show that not supporting old devices is a choice made by Apple.

rmnclmnt 8 hours ago | parent [-]

OCLP is excellent but it's all coming to an end for Intel Macs unfortunately. Even Homebrew just dropped the ball a few days ago (this is the final draw for me, I'll keep a Sequoia partition but my MBP2015 daily drives on NixOS + GNOME)

simlevesque 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes. If anyone reads this in the future: you need to clone the brew repo and use v7.0.2 and install it manually.

cromka 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If only KDE actually paid attention to UX and maybe cared about the looks and consistency a bit more. I'm sorry for being blunt but their visual design people's have no taste...

mikae1 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's little margins and whitespace and this bothered me like hell before making the switch. It's funny, now I kind of like it. A lot is happening too. The latest Plasma had a very high degree of polish IMO.

It's far more consistent than Windows 11, but you have to pick Qt/KDE software, not GTK/GNOME for that to be true. I always choose the more KDE native option.

unethical_ban 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Since February I've been running CachyOS or Fedora (multiple machines) 100% at home. I only have a Windows partition on the desktop for a single game.

Gaming "just works" on Linux with one AAA exception that needs a tweak to its Steam Proton settings. The UI to me is as polished and functional as MacOS and Windows - besides a few minor things like taskbar shadows or rounded edges, a non-techie wouldn't notice the difference IMO unless they already knew it.

I've been running Linux on and off for 20 years, and KDE 6 is the most happy I've been with a user interface, with Unity being second. Everything you can possibly tweak seems to be discoverable in the UI just like Windows or Mac.

armadyl 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Seriously KDE is so extremely ugly and dated looking compared to macOS, GNOME and even modern Windows. I don’t care about the 30 million configurable options if it looks like a total eyesore. You’d think they’d put some effort into a consistent style / UI framework.

People hate on GNOME for its rigidity but it’s the one desktop actually trying somewhat to provide Linux with an environment that the average person (not an HN user) won’t immediately turn their nose up in disgust at.

elAhmo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, it is easy to be excited on a system that is lagging on features.

eviks an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I know, right, so it should be easy for Mac OS to excite, yet here we are

bayindirh 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Using macOS and KDE for almost the same time (~20 years), I still find that I need yet another app on macOS for a standard KDE feature.

Interesting observation, that is.

nozzlegear 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Like what?

bayindirh 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From top of my head:

File renaming. What Forklift or other dedicated file renamer comes as a standard with both Dolphin and KRename. Latter can drive circles around what's available in macOS, in any form.

AudioCD ripping: kio:// protocol has a native ripper. Just drag and drop. Settings are integrated to system settings directly. Which format do you want? Yes.

Remote connections: While finder can connect to servers, but FTP read access and SFTP requires external apps. IOW, what Cyberduck provides is already available in Dolphin, again.

KDE's standard window management capabilities need Magnet or something more advanced in macOS.

Git/SVN/CVS needs external tools in macOS. Dolphin can detect these repositories and let you work on them on the spot.

KRunner is arguably more Capable than spotlight in some cases. Needs another fair shake though.

If you add your mail accounts and calendars to KDE via KMail or something else, they become available system-wide. macOS is good in that regard, but KDE is betterer. If you use KMail, your mail will sync at the background even though your mail client is not running.

You need to buy another application to be able to edit id3 tags of audio files, but KDE has kid3. I even use its macOS version because it's that good.

I'll not get into customization capabilities, because they are fundamentally different and worlds apart, but this is due to their philosophy.

Keyboard shortcut management are equally powerful in both, AFAICS. macOS used to lag there.

K3b is infinitely more capable than macOS optical media authoring tools.

These are what I can remember with my tired brain, away from my KDE system for the day. The thing is, both side by side, I mostly prefer KDE because I can work way faster on that one, and it's not I'm hating macOS or anything, and as I said, using both for a very long time.

The apps I have given as examples are KDE's default apps and maintained by KDE project themselves. They are part of the default installation.

SmasherEpilepti 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Homebrew/nix: The most obvious one. MacOS just has no good package manager. It's even worse than Windows, which is also pretty bad, but at least on Windows you can install an app and manage it in a central "Add and Remove Programs" view, and they've standardized an installer format that cares about and manages versions and upgrades.

Middle Click: This is a galling one.

Rectangle: Far better than the MacOS's native snapping, which is half-assed.

AltTab: MacOS's keyboard driven app and window switching are terrible. It feels like they don't test for use that's not entirely mouse-based.

Mac Mouse Fix/LinearMouse: Real mouse support on MacOS sucks, and the unified settings between mouse and trackpad really sucks when you have to occasionally use both and don't want them to behave identically.

Karabiner: MacOS's keyboard mapping is incredibly underpowered.

AeroSpace/yabai: I don't use these anymore, because these also were pretty buggy for my use case; instead, I just use MacOS without Spaces. I hate MacOS window management, but find it less painful if I just lean heavily on tmux. MacOS Spaces are completely broken, especially on multi-monitor. They never do what you expect. I could write a screed on exactly how broken they are, but I won't in this post.

Ice (might be sketchy now; had an ownership change): Lack of menu bar overflow on MacOS is awful. I have icons that just disappear into the notch and can not be clicked, and there's not space for much, especially if you use something like Stats to see resource use.

BetterDisplay+MonitorControl: Non-retina monitor management on MacOS is bad.

SoundSource: Per-app audio control just doesn't exist otherwise.

These are all things that work fine out of the box on KDE and even Gnome. MacOS, for a very UI-focused OS, is simply terrible to use graphically if you're not baby-ducked into it from a young age. I've been using it for years at work (because my options are MacOS and Windows, and MacOS for all its flaws is still less painful than Windows), and I still can't get used to all the bad decisions. Spaces are the most shocking example of something that should work that doesn't, and they still don't fix it year after year.

cosmic_cheese 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Snow Leopard was solid, but when I went back and used it I was surprised by how I missed some little bits of polish that'd been added since.

My ideal would probably be Mavericks 10.9.5 with the Leopard/Snow Leopard 2D grid virtual desktop model hacked back in. The linear version of Spaces that's been in place since 10.7 is needlessly simplistic.

detourdog 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Snow Leopard is right up there with System 7.5.3 for me. I’m happy with their current OS trends compared to the flat OS trend of the past decade. They definitely need detail work and I think they default to turning features on that I would prefer off. Many of the new features I don’t use come off as a spastic GUI.

matsemann 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've never had so much stuff break than with the macOS updates. I can get some of it, like drivers or programs hooking onto OS features that change. But so much "normal" software just breaks. Or can't even run without the dev recompiling for the new ui kit version or something. While on Windows I can run any random old tool not touched in two decades and it'll work.

I dread updating Macs.

int32_64 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whatever the last one you had to install with a CD/DVD was.

xattt 8 hours ago | parent [-]

So Snow Leopard, as parent poster had said.

illwrks 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100% Snow Leopard, followed closely by Mavericks.

arpinum 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When Siracusa wrote the last review.

bix6 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like a decade for me now. I don’t read or watch anything anymore. I just buy whatever the new version is when I need it and live with it. I yearn for something truly exciting, groundbreaking, and accessible (price) from Apple. iPod era was so dope.

drooopy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

10.5 Leopard because 10.4 Tiger was my first interaction with Mac OS X and it blew me away. I couldn't wait to see what was next and how they could improve upon perfection.

Hamuko 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mavericks maybe?

encom 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>OS excitement

Debian+KDE here. It's what I use to get away from OS excitement. I miss the 90's when nobody ever updated anything, and if they did it was on purpose and not something that happened behind your back.

For example, the other day Google "updated" the clock/alarm/timer app on Android with pointless and annoying changes. A clock app does not need an update, ever.

"But..." No! /usr/share/zoneinfo handles that. Stop it.

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