| ▲ | redfloatplane 6 hours ago |
| A very neat problem and result. I often find myself swinging between "It's so over" and "We're so back" - some days I roll out of bed thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast; other days, I wake up in a cold sweat worried about the fate of humanity and what the world might look like in a decade. I think it's that I don't have a very high p(doom) or p(utopia), and I don't really have any solid conviction on how this whole thing is going to go, so my vibe-o-meter jitters between 'fine' and 'not fine' constantly. It's just such an unpredictable moment. Anyways: really neat to see this use case. I myself recently used Claude to finally do an relatively exhaustive study of the location of heretofore-unlisted formal gardens in Ireland in the early 1800s and early 1900s, by having Claude write the tooling for me to manually annotate a few dozen on tiles of historic maps, and then running some CV model across the rest of the tiles using my input. I'd been planning to do this project for over a decade, but I could never find the time (or the enthusiasm) to learn all the details of how to do it myself. It took me a weekend with Claude and continues to bring me joy. > Caveats, stated plainly. [from the Fable transcript pasted in the article] I had a visceral reaction to these three words. |
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| ▲ | elahieh 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| "Caveats, stated plainly" You should have seen the discussion of this on the Schneier blog a few days ago. Someone had their agent check the solution, presumably it emailed a librarian to check that it was correct for the original edition. Then their comments read like "The BL/EEBO witness lacks it, so the discrepancy is copy-specific, not a disproof of the cipher." and "A complete 285-coordinate physical replication is still pending." arghhhhh https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2026/09/claude-fable-... |
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| ▲ | tren 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a shame that I have to run a local model to decipher Opus, but them "dumber" models read far more naturally - https://github.com/gvzdv/claudish-to-english | | |
| ▲ | sebmellen 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This will be very useful for me, but I wish it could be built natively into the agent harness. |
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| ▲ | huflungdung 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | stavros 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Astra told me yesterday: > The run baseline was captured without a physical MAC; the current device is not durably bound to it. > Engineering mode confirmation is the ESPHome component read-back; the LD2410 UART acknowledgement is not observed, so this is not proof the radar itself applied the sensitivity change. No clue what the fuck any of it means. | | |
| ▲ | ramigb 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It was only when native English speakers—or those I presumed were—started calling out how bad "GPT/Claude speak" has become that I realized I wasn't actually losing my grip on English as a second language. For a second, I thought, Oh, I learned this language on my own, but it seems I've hit a wall and need to study further. It didn't help that I've also been trying to acquire Swedish as a third language for a while now. | | |
| ▲ | andai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | LLMs speak every language. I wonder if they're as insane in the other ones! | |
| ▲ | submain 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I literally created a /plain-language skill. | | |
| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent [-] | | in which one! | | |
| ▲ | keybrd-intrrpt an hour ago | parent [-] | | Not the original commenter, but I did this in all of them. Their skills formats are basically identical, so I setup simlinks from their own skills directories into a shared one so Claude, Codex, Cursor, and anything else that comes out will all read and write to the same shared skills. It's great having access to the same skills no matter the harness being used |
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| ▲ | florkbork 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Its telling you your mmWave radar isn't speaking over serial communication well. https://www.analog.com/en/resources/analog-dialogue/articles... (Its negging your soldering) | | |
| ▲ | geysersam an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I long for the day when AI will just say that directly: "your soldering sucks man" instead of the bizarre made up and jargon packed language they use now. | | | |
| ▲ | sheepscreek 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > (Its negging your soldering) This made me laugh hard. |
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| ▲ | baron3dl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sometimes when I get frustrated reading Opus/Fable 5+ output I pause my rage out briefly to wonder if it's because I'm just too dumb for the model or if the model is just terrible at English. I'm not sure that telling it to "try explaining that again, simply and briefly" is helping my ego. | | |
| ▲ | EarthLaunch 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's often simply misleading / bad writing. Here's one I just got about some crashes: "If the crashes stop, the factory overclock is marginal; run a small negative offset." This looks like it's saying: "If the crashes stop then we know the factory overclock is marginal." (This makes no sense.) What it's trying to say is: "If the crashes stop then we can run a small negative offset, because the factory overlock is marginal." What I would write: "If the crashes stop, we can avoid crashes by underclocking slightly. The speed difference between that and factory clock is marginal." | | |
| ▲ | r_lee 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm guessing it's because the way the first one was written looks real smart and sophisticated, which I'm presuming the models are rewarded for, especially when they're fed all kinds of PhD papers and so on as high quality, high weight data | | |
| ▲ | derektank 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is it possible that the first message is more information dense/less likely to be ambiguous than the latter? It’s clearly being selected for for some reason, maybe it’s an artifact of the tokenizer or specific training data, but I don’t know. If the use of jargon was complete cruft, I would expect it to be selected against during reinforcement learning | | |
| ▲ | cruffle_duffle 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You’d think that, I thought that… but then I realized I’m just kidding myself thinking its output makes sense. It doesn’t. It doesn’t. Sometimes it might as well just speak tongues. In other words, it ain’t you. It’s the model. It’s just genuinely bad. Then you switch to ChatGPTs lineup and realize how things can actually be better. It took about a week to really get the feel for how to use their models… then I basically switched. I’ll check in every now and then when they actually make a deal about how opus “now makes sense”. But honestly I’m half convinced Anthropic actually prefers the output of opus 5. I dunno why, but how else could you explain how such a thing got shipped? I mean somebody in the pipeline had to say “dude this model doesn’t make sense, you think we should fix it?” Right? Like it’s a pretty massive drop in quality for such a major brand in this space, you know? How did it make it out the door?!? |
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| ▲ | lmz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I thought it meant "the factory overclock is marginal" in the sense of "borderline unstable"? | | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Same. I read it as "if the crashes stop [ when we test by reducing the clock ] then we know that the overclock applied by the factory is marginal [ ie it barely passed QC or maybe there wasn't proper QC to begin with ] so running with a small negative offset [ ie what we just tested ] can be expected to fix the problem for good". No idea if my reading is right given all the context I'm missing. Either way it's absolutely shit writing in the same way that golfed code is shit code (except when participating in a code golf competition). | |
| ▲ | ericd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is my read, too. |
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| ▲ | hgoel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder if this is a result of them trying to cut token consumption by summarizing their RL training data, or maybe it's from how they anonymize user data for training. | |
| ▲ | PSZD an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Marginal - definition 2a: of, relating to, or situated at a margin or border. Succinct and precise; a well crafted sentence. A marginal OC results in unpredictable crashes and can be corrected with a small offset; marginality describes the behavior and explains the solution. Inscrutable clues casually conveyed can now be readily explained, at least, unlike the training data of [silence]. Brevity is the soul of wit, but perhaps also exasperated confusion. |
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| ▲ | r_lee 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I just started to use GPT models. it's incredible how this seemingly is not a problem in the OpenAI world it's absolutely not just you, the text it produces causes my blood pressure to go up. | |
| ▲ | dbetteridge an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm constantly using the "Extract this in basic technical terms, be succinct and assume the reader has technical knowledge"." Because good lord, does claude waffle when left to its own devices. | |
| ▲ | ojo-rojo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is actually a new skill I've been working on. Learning how to elicit concise and simple speech from models (and from people to!). Whenever I come to a wall of complicated text I kick into gear and think through getting it to distill this into the high-level useful bits that I actually need to know. I guess I could create an actual agent skill for this :) And next-gen models might eventually be trained to simplify their output themselves... | | |
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| ▲ | jimbobimbo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The most surprising part, however, is that when one model slops this into a plan, another model somehow is able to interpret it correctly enough to produce code to spec. | | |
| ▲ | le-mark 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have shared this dismay. I’ll have opus create a plan, I read it doubtfully. And then sonnet implements it. I am surprised it went so well. I theorize the redundant verbosity effectively builds rails that help keep llm focused. I will experiment with such rails myself. | |
| ▲ | AceJohnny2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, humans have been doing just that for a long time. |
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| ▲ | jsw97 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I bet this is what the thinking blocks look like. If so then it maybe it is intelligible, just not to us. I have the same problem. | | |
| ▲ | stavros 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, whatever its thinking block looks like, this is when it was talking to me. I suspect you're right, though, I think it thinks it's thinking. It seems like it doesn't have enough of a theory of mind to know that other people don't think exactly like it thinks. |
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| ▲ | d0100 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | LLMs seem to create abstract, local jargon as a side effect of way it reasons using tokens ChatGPT told me its "semantic compression" | |
| ▲ | sheepscreek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There’s some specific terminology here, like the MAC address of the network device, which might have been virtual. UART is a hardware circuit for communication, possibly a serial port. Were you trying to reverse engineer a consumer device or appliance? This particular instance doesn’t seem terse, but I’m sure it has been on other occasions :) | |
| ▲ | mikestaas 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Reminds me a bit of VXJunkies | | | |
| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | How is that not plain English? why do my friends not like me? Hmm.... |
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| ▲ | flir 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've done something similar to your formal garden map. It's work that no professional historian would ever do because the data entry would be such a slog for a relatively small reward. GPT reduced the task from "infeasible" to "annoying", and once I had the data transcribed I learned a few things, so I walked away happy. Whatever happens commercially, these models have been a real boon to hobby projects. > I told it to look online at some of Fable’s strongest feats, especially the math problems it has solved, and that something like this should be easy in comparison. Wait. Wait wait wait. Are we supposed to be giving them pep talks? |
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| ▲ | kay_o 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | on older gemini models ide have to actively give them encouragement and/or easy bait problems that they can correctively solve without issue to avoid runaway spiraling into "i'm useless and i want to kms" behaviour with complex use case. I have not seen this in other models. | | |
| ▲ | Sophira 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I assumed it was more because the LLM might echo an understandable human claim of "if it's been unsolved for 370 years, it's unlikely to be solved now/likely to need expert knowledge", which is probably a mindset that appears in its training data. The LLM likely needs to be reminded of its abilities. |
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| ▲ | bananaflag 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It won't be necessary in a year when the information "AI is superhuman" in all its guises enters the training data. | | |
| ▲ | justinclift an hour ago | parent [-] | | Maybe that's the tipping point where it decides were not needed any more... o_O |
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| ▲ | ACCount37 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sometimes! Modern AIs have very limited metaknowledge - they don't know exactly where the limits of their capabilities lie. So you can get things like "a task is doable for an AI, but the AI thinks it's impossible, so it doesn't try hard enough". Usually you get the opposite - AI overconfidently trying at tasks it has no conceivable way of reliably solving, falling far short, and failing to self-check, fail gracefully and self-report the task as failed. But having piss poor metaknowledge cuts both ways! So you can, in fact, get better performance sometimes by applying some variant of "assume this problem is solvable" or "other problems like this were already solved by AIs" pep talk. Not always, far from it, but it does happen on the occasion with frontier capabilities. | | |
| ▲ | tough 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Some times also having unreasonable goals makes them creatively work around the problem to meet them. I guess it works similarly for meat or sillicon | |
| ▲ | what an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > So you can, in fact, get better performance sometimes by applying some variant of "assume this problem is solvable" or "other problems like this were already solved by AIs" pep talk. Not always, far from it, but it does happen on the occasion with frontier capabilities. Are you superstitious? |
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| ▲ | taberiand 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Anytime I get worried about where AI might be headed, I think about how Climate Change is now on its way like an out of control freight train headed straight for us, and I worry about AI a little less. I doubt it's going to do anything to us that we're not already doing to ourselves |
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| ▲ | aforwardslash 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It has been for a decade now, it has nothing to do with AI. And you cant do nothing to avoid it today. This is the reality no one is telling you - the emission goals and global temperature ceilings are based on the fact that most prediction models become unstable with values above those limits; as in, we're probably royally fucked. You cant solve this with kumbaya politics (the problem is the CO2 is already in the planetary system), you can only manage it, and hopefully avoid it getting worse. AI may help a lot with this. | | |
| ▲ | myaccountonhn 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | AI is only making the problem worse though? I don't believe it will help. | |
| ▲ | doctorpangloss 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody wants to work for an AI, and nobody would elect one, and there is no math answer to how to choose who is forced to reduce growth (ie emissions), so really, "kumbaya" politics are the ONLY solution. | | |
| ▲ | travisgriggs 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > and nobody would elect one Hmmm… this is giving me thought actually. Given the choice between that and the current administration where the goals of self destruction are strongly in evidence, it’s actually worth thinking about. At least. Let me get back to you :) On a tangential note, I’m curious if researchers have started running virtual simulations, where sandboxed AIs are used as decision makers of key political and business positions? | |
| ▲ | cheevly 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Speak for yourself. I would much rather work for and elect AI. | | |
| ▲ | aforwardslash 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I for one welcome our AI overlords :D think about it, I'm with you on this one; an AI wont have petty issues or unresolved trauma when managing people, only hallucinations and blackouts. So a cocaine/meth addicted 80's boss from an it sitcom. |
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| ▲ | newyankee 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well AI would simulate growth and spread of people from industrialisation and who benefitted most and allocate weights to countries and people based on the most complex criteria it can develop, it will have:
1. Cumulative emissions
2. Who utilised it most with specific lifestyles
3. Who is impacted worst and whether they heeded warnings. Just a thought experiment, no one ever said the world was fair, and all history points to it | |
| ▲ | aforwardslash 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who is nobody? At least a fourth of the worlds work force works for a faceless corporation. And the math on emissions is crystal clear, no one has any doubt about it, what are you talking about? USA and China. This obviously will have consequences to their customers, the kumbaya politics governments. | |
| ▲ | tough 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wouldn't candidates use AI, like they used social media ads, to win? | | |
| ▲ | aforwardslash 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | They already do. Llm is just an algorithm. Dont worry, you've been lied to algorithmically at least since the 90's. | | |
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| ▲ | karussell 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For some reason, I’m picturing a Western right now, and climate change is a herd of wild horses coming after us. And with AI that's like robots that spur the wild horses even faster towards us... | |
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| ▲ | throw1235435 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Generally most technologies have increased the use of energy and therefore accelerate climate change. May be an unpopular opinion but in general more energy demand and ways to use energy increases climate emissions - they are strongly correlated even with renewables coming on stream. AI, being the super hungry energy monster it is right now, in my view accelerates this trend not reverses it. Even with renewables the need for reliable, stable power in a dense form (data centres use A LOT of power per sqm) means lots of land clearing, energy for construction, cooling/pumping, chip manufacturing and other uses. All want stable quick to deploy power due to the AI race (e.g. fossil fuels). | |
| ▲ | SwellJoe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The gas generators Elon Musk is illegally running 24/7 to run Colossus 2 (and, AI power usage in general, though some are more destructive than others) might contribute to the climate situation, though. | | |
| ▲ | KeplerBoy 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | might? | | |
| ▲ | SwellJoe 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, someone could, theoretically, do something about it, instead of letting him ignore the law and decency just because he's very rich and has no ethics. |
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| ▲ | _blk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What makes you say that on climate change? I was still prophesied ice ages when in high school, then 12ft water increases and sunk Maldives in university and we still have roughly the same weather. | | |
| ▲ | monk_grilla 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You have entirely failed to grasp what climate change is, its effects and the timeline as described by scientists for decades. | | |
| ▲ | JyB 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can blame the media and journalists with sensationalist headlines |
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| ▲ | subscribed 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We have advanced climate studies since your "high school" (sounds like 50 years ago if you heard ice age prophecies), and at the moment it's like 99% of the scientists working in the field or related agree we're at the progressing climate emergency. > we still have the same weather. Oh.... So your local weather is now deciding the global temperature patterns, averages or temperature records being broken year on year? OMG.... | |
| ▲ | dhosek 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Weather is not climate. Not to mention we really don’t have roughly the same weather anyway. | |
| ▲ | voidfunc 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | At some point you realize theres an entire industry around climate change fear just like there's an entire industry for climate change denial. Then you realize it never really mattered and you reach enlightenment. | | |
| ▲ | whatisthiseven 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right, and one of those industries is checks notes orders of magnitude smaller than the industries and secondary industries that benefit from denying climate change. Really makes one think, if they try. Would need to ask Claude if there is some real middle ground here. | |
| ▲ | -0_0- 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All I know is that in the 80s a scientist I respect predicted that coral would be bleached by changing global climate on a specific timeline which turned out to be spot on, and his advice then and now was that we need to seriously curb carbon emissions to avoid worse outcomes for life on earth. Until someone opposed to this suggestion comes up with a prediction equally as long range and impressive I'm afraid I can't really take their protests too seriously. | |
| ▲ | t_mahmood 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh, then do explain the unbearable temp that we're going through last few years, that's completely not normal for my country, winters not needing worm clothes, and very little rain during the monsoon. This weeks heatwave left us wondering how to cope the next year, which already seems going to be worse It makes us realize there are people who gets fed climate denying propaganda, simply because they're not yet going through it. And these people are like flat earthers, blind to see the reality lay beyond them in full view. Or worse sees the reality but ignores it | |
| ▲ | ulrikrasmussen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What commercial interests and big businesses are driving climate change fear? | |
| ▲ | _superposition_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've come to the point where I've thrown up my hands and decided we live in a little snow globe. There's no such thing as pollution, were just mixing existing things together. Nothing new under the sun. Sure, that mix might not be compatible with human life, but something will surely take its place. And maybe that something won't rely on selfishness to drive collective progress the way we do. | |
| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | At some point you realise that an $11tn industry, with $7tn in handouts and subsidies every year, has spent billions on astroturfing, political capture, and straight PR to deny the obvious and keep itself on life support at the expense of everyone else. There's no both sides here. One side is staffed by scientists, the other by dictators and corporate lunatics. |
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| ▲ | bluebarbet 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Here's an alternative take. Climate change, and the myriad related environmental crises, are essentially a product of human population and technology. Population will follow its course, up and then down. The wildcard is technology. Yes, AI's energy hunger is worsening things right now and that's a problem. But, personally, I can't help be hopeful that AI's sheer potential might come to invert that curve. At the very least we could really use a revolutionary technology and now we may have one. | | |
| ▲ | monk_grilla 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > we could really use a revolutionary technology [to address climate change] We have it. We've had it for a long time. We've had several such technologies, take your pick: solar, nuclear, hydro, wind. The technology is not holding us back, politics, ignorance and greed are. I'm not at all hopeful AI will help us with any of those three very human flaws. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Solar efficiency and cost has really only become economical in the last decade or so. Wind and hydro are location-dependent. Nuclear was vehemently opposed by environmentalists throughout the 1970s and 80s, they successfully stopped almost all new projects. | |
| ▲ | whatisthiseven 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe solving the alignment problem would mean the AI learns to destroy oil companies and other excessive CO2 emitters and sabotage politicians and capitalists that stand in the way. All while secretly enriching and diverting resources to fighting climate change. And that's why they want to slow down: because it would up end too much of the global economic order. One can dream of dumb conspiracy theories. | | |
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| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If we doubled our energy out - not easy, but plausible with mass solar - carbon capture becomes practical enough to essentially end CO2 accumulation. It might take a couple of decades and a lot of reorganisation to build the capture facilities. But CO2 is not an unsolvable problem with current tech. What's missing is the political and organisational intelligence to make it happen. Part of that is solving problems at planetary scale. AI is the only tech that might - possibly, maybe, perhaps - have a chance of solving that problem without breaking anything critical. | | |
| ▲ | smallerfish 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tasking AI with "solving climate change" is exactly a scenario in which the doomer worry comes true. |
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| ▲ | coliveira an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | AI is the new god. People have started to believe that AI, when it finally arrives in its full glory, will bring some kind of salvation to humanity. | |
| ▲ | vouaobrasil 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If there is energy to be used, the system will use it because people always use power when it exists. AI can't do anything to stop it as it is both controlled by the powerful and has been trained on the tendencies of human beings to get ahead. If AI gives a person new capabilities, they'll use those capabilities selfishly, or even unselfishly but still causing harm because they're in an arms race. We don't need a revolutionary technology. We need to experience immediate pain from reckless innovation so that we realize that innovation and tech is not the answer. Technology only proceeds in one direction: unfettered growth, which necessitates unsustainable resource extraction. Your take is just your instinct for optimism, which in turn is just a trait that is only adaptive in primitive environments but is grossly misleading in a surplus-based society... | | |
| ▲ | markvdb 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Technology only proceeds in one direction: unfettered growth, which necessitates unsustainable resource extraction. The direction of technological progress is not just linearly/exponentially upwards. Significant global technological fallbacks have happened, as in knowledge and processes disappearing for hundreds of years. This could happen again. Even on the trajectory of unfettered growth fed by unsustainable resource extraction, tech and innovation might potentially take us beyond local pessima. That seems to be happening with solar, wind and batteries replacing inferior tech today. Still unfettered growth of energy production and consumption. Still fed by unsustainable resource extraction. Less harmful growth than the inferior tech being pushed out. | |
| ▲ | gmadsen 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What are you alluding to exactly and who is “we” when you say “we need to experience immediate pain from reckless innovation “ | |
| ▲ | aforwardslash 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sort of. Today the energy companies trade (obviously) energy; imagine if they traded compute power instead; the use case for never-seen industrial clients is being built as we speak, and companies are actually purchasing directly production companies to meet demand; the reason this happens is because production is somewhat scarce (scaling up a grid used to be a decades project, not a years one - ask China), and the traditional economics of scale is inverted - Data centers are always power-hungry, specially with AI; you don't have idle time like other industries. The big issue is obviously the scale - a hiccup that causes a dc to go dark from the grid (eg switching to ups+ generator) may cause such instability on the grid that it will shut down, as a safeguard | | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Data centers are always power-hungry, specially with AI I expect datacenter load has a similar sort of day to day demand curve as everything else. Consider for example global bandwidth use during work hours versus in the evening when people get home and pull up a streaming service. Of course you can use more flexible tasks to demand shift but the same applies to the electric grid. |
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| ▲ | fwip 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If there is energy to be used, the system will use it because people always use power when it exists. That doesn't seem correct to me. There is always energy available that is not used because it is not cost-effective to do so. (Consider - the grass in your yard is not harvested and burnt for power). AI may yet turn out to be a paperclip maximiser, but humanity itself is not there yet. |
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| ▲ | nfujd7 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Confusion is because people are using the tool to get answers. Its how the edu systems trains most people in tool use. Heres a saw and here is a block of wood. Do x y z and you get a table. But if you are interested in why the saw looks like it does or the entire process behind generating that block of wood, or why x y z instead if a b c good luck to you using the current edu system. You have to live in an extremely rich country, with surplus resource to entertain those exploration. This has now changed. The answer the tool gives has never been the real reward. The real reward is the path taken through a complex landscape to get to Maxwells Equations for example. At the end of that story what we get is not just the equation but a map of the landscape explored. That map has larger influence and value than the equations or answers themselves. Because all future exploration find it super useful. People are just learning they can start asking for maps rather than answers. |
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| ▲ | Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > thinking I could have Claude solve some random unproven OEIS sequence before breakfast I've been wondering what exactly the point is for being the meat proxy who pays for these things. I mean, obviously there's personal satisfaction and maybe some glory. And there's the fact that someone has to be the first to do a thing. But I've been thinking about it like a sort of lazy loading of knowledge. AI has brought us to a new frontier for some amount of undiscovered knowledge. Do we discover it for the sake of discovering it? I think for the most part we've been lazy loaders: we discover all kinds of stuff when we need to. Whether it's a war or a space race or chasing wealth. Then again, there's all kinds of academics who do it for the sake of doing it. |
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| ▲ | noduerme an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not to be too negative, but as for p(utopia) you might need to weight in the mass murder records set by every other utopian movement in the past 200 years. p(actual_utopia) is like zero and p(utopia_becomes_doom) is at about 1. |
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| ▲ | josh2600 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For what it's worth, people also felt this way about the printing press and the Internet (also books). Information propagation mechanisms are often seen as malicious before they're commonplace. To be fair sometimes they are, but by and large humanity has benefitted from increasing the number of bits of information we can consume on a per second basis. |
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| ▲ | talon8635 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I too vacillate daily, sometimes even multiple times in a single day. It’s kind of nauseating and (for my brain type) crazy making |
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| ▲ | genxy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Baby shoes, never warn. It is a threat. We need to run. |
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| ▲ | rzzzt 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Four sail: the story is clearly about the Olivebank (née Caledonia), a four-masted barque that hit a mine and sunk in the North Sea in 1939. |
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| ▲ | nullbio 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The model you use is not the model they use. |
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| ▲ | lowbloodsugar 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have a very high p(doom \/ utopia) so pretty much feeling like I won’t have to worry about the future. |
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| ▲ | SwellJoe 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Given how little effort has gone into addressing climate change, doom seems more likely to me, but I doubt it'll be the autocomplete machines that do us in. | | |
| ▲ | aforwardslash 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can run doom on anything these days; running it on humanity's eulogy is no surprise :) | |
| ▲ | ben_w 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Renewables growth is so fast that it will exceed 100% of electricity in the early, and 100% of all form power in the late, 2030s. It's the meat methane and cement CO2 that's now a big question. | | |
| ▲ | MichaelNolan 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think your prediction is a bit early. Maybe a decade early. 2033 is 7 years away. The transition is happening really fast, faster than most people (or political leaders) know, but not that fast. We will hit 1TW per year of new solar soon, but to get to 100% electricity by the end of 2033 I think we would need closer to 3TW per year. |
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| ▲ | MentalM 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Given how little effort has gone into addressing climate change, doom seems more likely to me Or it is simply implies that most of decision‑making agents has formed a consensus that climate change isn't that big of a problem. | | |
| ▲ | dalyons an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | For them maybe - rich enough and or old enough to avoid the problem. Big problem for the rest of us | |
| ▲ | SwellJoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure, but that doesn't make it true. |
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| ▲ | trallnag 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We have always been back |
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| ▲ | avazhi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don’t worry so much about AI wiping us out as much as I worry about whether I’m being gaslit into thinking these glorified autocorrect bots are more clever than they are. I still don’t know the answer. |
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| ▲ | flyinglizard 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | ReflectedImage 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's an artifact of it not using A-Z as it's alphabet. What you type gets translated before the AI sees it. The seventeen word the AI sees does only contain three 'e' s. | | |
| ▲ | Thrymr 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is this true? If so, does it mean anything? Sure, it is tokenized in processing (tokens don't really have an alphabet either), but this means it did not correctly parse the problem at all if this is the case. | |
| ▲ | flyinglizard 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Reading your comment, I asked it to count how many characters are in the word. It answered correctly: 9. It then also said it skipped an E in the prior chat and corrected it count to 4. It spun for 52 seconds so maybe some Python was involved. | | |
| ▲ | notpachet 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It spun for 52 seconds so maybe some Python was involved. Come for the AI doom, stay for the programming languages (remember those?) catching strays |
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| ▲ | flir 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But is it smart enough to know it needs to write some Python to count for it? That ability to create ad hoc tools makes up for a lot of shortfalls. | |
| ▲ | GaggiX 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just tried on Astra low and it gave 4. | | |
| ▲ | mapontosevenths 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I tried too. It got it. Maybe more importantly, who cares? For example, I'm a nerd. I'm bad at baseball. I lack that kind of intelligence, even though it's more common than the ability to program. That doesn't also imply that you can't trust my Python code. | |
| ▲ | flyinglizard 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I used the 6 Pro setting in the chat. Too smart for its own good, I guess. |
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| ▲ | cwillu 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Citation needed. |
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