| ▲ | Arainach 2 days ago |
| On the contrary, we have a long history of evidence that when people think they aren't being watched, enough of them will do awful things. This is why public restrooms in the US are vandalized, why there are low effort graffiti tags all over, litter in parks, and more. People believing that something is watching - a human or machine with the autonomy to enact consequences - preserves the commons for the rest of us. |
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| ▲ | m4rtink 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Panopticon to the rescue - seriously ??? People just dont vadalize stuff - there are reasons for that that need to be fixed, not adding even more spying. |
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| ▲ | Arainach a day ago | parent [-] | | Among the reasons are that kids (and some adults) are idiots. That's it, it's not income inequality or rage at the system, some people just break things because they think it's funny. That's not something you can fix, so you have to guard against it in other ways. | | |
| ▲ | m4rtink a day ago | parent [-] | | Is't that just bad education or parenting in the end ? I don
t think many people with good parents & education would be essentially insane to break thinks just for fun. In general, I think you kinda need to fix people rather than make the environment basically so hostile to everyone, to prevent a small group of people from breaking it. Not saying its easy, but in my the only correct way. | | |
| ▲ | Arainach a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't agree with your claim, but assuming you're right: Do you think that trying to solve "bad parenting" is less intrusive than cameras in robotaxis? | | |
| ▲ | m4rtink 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I hope so, but at the same time - I'm not sure how to best do it without ending up with some different authoritative issues. Like, in general, you kinda want people to be good parent so their children end up as decent humans (that for example don't vandalize public restrooms for fun). But any direct attempts to control that process, even if well meant, would be rightfully considered a horrendous form of government/societal meddling. So it is definitely hard. In any case, I think removing as many sources or uncertainty and stress as possible (stable income, affordable housing, no naked corruption visible day by day, etc.) could hopefully have positive outcomes on parenting without direct interference with the process. And I guess a better founded & more prestigious for the teach school system could also help. |
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| ▲ | gusgus01 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| As much as I disagree with it, graffiti is an interesting topic. A lot of graffiti proponents fully believe that they are beautifying the environment by making it human, and even continue doing it as the level of effort to bypass the consequences go up. They don't believe it to be an awful thing (though I'm sure some do, plus some have other motivations, plus some are lying to themselves about their motivations, etc, I just mean what they say and do). |
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| ▲ | Arainach 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I enjoy murals and graffiti art. Taggers who just put their names on walls, however, are a cancer |
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