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ortekk 5 hours ago

They will allow registering without phone number as a paid option soon.

traceroute66 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> registering without phone number as a paid option soon

Replacing the need to register with a phone number with a requirement to pay is a better option how, exactly ?

thecrash 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Decreases what info Signal needs to collect and retain about a user. When using an SMS verification as a proof, Signal needs to log the phone number, because if they didn't, one spammer could use one phone number to create 10^99 accounts.

When using payment as proof, they can verify that payment occurred, validate the account and then immediately forget about the transaction. One spammer would still have to pay 10^99 times to create that many accounts.

wolvoleo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Payment leaves a huge identification trail because of all the know your customer stuff these days.

If they accept monero or something then ok but I doubt they will.

Cider9986 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

They could make it so all that is known by banks is that you purchased the service. Like how Nym does it or how you can buy Mullvad credits on Amazon.

https://nym.com/zk-nyms

Ideally they accept Monero and do unlinkable payments but I doubt they will accept Monero. Hopefully they accept some crypto.

some_furry 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If your concern is "muh phone number", then you can pay and not have to give the phone number to sign up.

It's already the case today (and has been for years) that you don't need to give strangers your phone number to chat on Signal. My username is soatok.45; try to get my phone number if you can.

If you want absolutely no info to be collected, ever, and there to be zero cost on the end user too, be prepared to welcome your new spam overlords. Because the people who will benefit the most from a zero cost signup that only requires a username are spammers.

anigbrowl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

two weeks

johnnyApplePRNG 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Lol how is that any better at all?

Then they have your credit card or payment info.

Signal is an obvious honeypot.

They make no money and have no plans to.

Cider9986 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Lol how is that any better at all?

They can implement unlinkable payments so all that is known by credit card is that you purchased Signal and Signal doesn't know which credit card goes with which account.

>Signal is an obvious honeypot.

Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You might say they don't do enough to protect metadata privacy but it was never made to be an anonymous messenger, it was made to be a private messenger.

>They make no money and have no plans to.

They make money from donations and paid backups and eventually they might make money from paid accounts.