| ▲ | werdnapk an hour ago |
| A lot of vehicle manufacturers don't even give you access to their repair/diagnostic software even if you want to pay. Tesla for example lets you pay to access their diagnostic software, so why is John Deere the bad guy here? |
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| ▲ | jchw an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Oh that's simple. Both Tesla and John Deere are bad guys. And yes. I am happy to expand that list to literally every other manufacturer you have in mind. They are all bad guys too. If manufacturers were altruistic good guys, they would need no regulation. |
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| ▲ | arrowsmith 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | If all manufacturers except one were altruistic good guys, the one malevolent bad guy would undercut the altruists and drive them out of business. Regulation is the solution to this prisoner’s dilemma. | | |
| ▲ | phyzix5761 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Heavy regulations are the reason why we have the John Deere semi monopoly. The regulatory entry cost is in the millions for any new player to enter the market so no one wants to compete and provide better service. | | |
| ▲ | Eisenstein 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So are for some regulations but not others. I think that is most people's stance. It's more constructive if we talk about which specific ones. |
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| ▲ | geoduck14 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Like others have said: Tesla is the bath guy here. I'm pretty sure most people are focused on the other ways Tesla has been fing around that they just haven't gotten this far down the list. Also, there's something special about tractors. Their owners (farmers) are both willing and capable of repairing tractors, in general, so John Deere is demonized for taking that ability away. Where as Tesla's owners are comfortable not changing their own oil, so "less" was taken away. (Yes, I know Tesla doesn't have engine oil, don't get hung up on that) |
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| ▲ | nvme0n1p1 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I bought my current car, it came with an owners manual--for free!! I can grab any data I want from the OBD port. The hardware was cheap, the software to use it is, again, free. I'm not excited about this brave new world where you have to pay a subscription fee to plug a cable into a device you own and interact with it, and even less excited there are people here defending the idea. |
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| ▲ | itsrobreally 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You may not be aware but there are a lot of proprietary PIDs on your OBD2 bus you can't interpret without specialized software - you can get like oil pressure and temperature, but not say, shift points or anything the manufacturer doesn't think you should see. True right to repair would mean all of the PIDs get documented and there is a marketplace where I can purchase software or documentation without having to be a certified brand X mechanic. | |
| ▲ | loopies 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | What you want is the service manual. Owner manual should be implicit.
OBD port can work for some cars, for some of the data. But other cars do have specialized gear they require to either access either reset some stuff in some of the car's computers. | | |
| ▲ | somehnguy 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah the owners and service manuals are two very very different things. You won't be performing much maintenance with the owners manual besides the absolute basics, like checking your oil. The cheap OBD2 readers lack the vast majority of data and tools you would want to use for service as well. There are aftermarket options but most manufacturers want you to subscribe to their service tools - often charged per monthly plus an additional a fee per VIN it touches. These cost in the hundreds to thousands. It can be pretty frustrating as a shadetree mechanic. | | |
| ▲ | lazide 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Notably, some vehicles like the Toyota Highlander you can’t even figure out when you need to change the spark plugs, let alone what kind of spark plugs you need from the owners manual. Theoretically, they are to be replaced at 120k miles (!!) but they won’t even tell you that in the owners manual. Insane. |
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| ▲ | DuncanCoffee 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because in agriculture you are absolutely expecting to be able to repair stuff yourself. I work on a project related to it and was absolutely surprised at how the company gave instructions to the clients to help them fix their machines (stuff I wouldn't be able to do myself). Having a non-working machine can mean big $$ lost everyday. |
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| ▲ | RobotToaster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Real life isn't as simple as the one in fairy tales, there's usually more than one villain. |
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| ▲ | voxl an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Whataboutism. Two evils are still evil. |
