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rmunn 3 hours ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo for years now, ever since it became noticeable that two different people searching for the same search term would get two different results back from Google. Meaning they were no longer completely reliable: they might show one person a result that they hide from the other person by burying it on page 3 where few people ever look.

DDG's search results have been poorer recently than they used to — I often see completely unrelated results (to the point of my saying "Why in the world did that come back as a search result??!?") starting from page 2. And yet, I still use them, simply because they aren't Google.

_jackdk_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Speaking of page 3, Google's been asking me to sign in if I try to go beyond page 2 of search results. What a wonderful modern WWW we live in.

JsonDemWitOster an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That somehow hurts me to hear more than anything. I remember days spent in my youth trawling through Google search for anime fandoms and homework answers. Joke used to be that beyond page 1 is the definition of desperation and in the 00s that was definitely true but I discovered a lot of cool distractions in that desperation. This feels like they killed Google Reader again.

jolmg 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't know how modern this is, but I remember being disappointed that despite Google claiming it had millions of results, you could only see a few pages' worth.

Looking now, I've just noticed they no longer give a count of results.

pibaker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know how global consistency is actually useful, but I can easily think of ways it is less convenient.

For example, DST starts and ends on different dates in the UK and the US. Which dates should google return when someone from either country searches for just "DST end date?" Someone lives in Orange County and searches for "Orange County Sheriffs," which one of the eight Orange Counties should google return?

These are both examples where a localized — not even customized, just localized based on IP addresses — search results will easily help reduce headaches.

rmunn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I wouldn't mind that one. That a man in the US and a woman in Japan would get different results for a search for "sushi restaurant" is perfectly reasonable (even if the woman in Japan was searching in English).

It's when two people in the same neighborhood got different results for the same search that I said "wait a minute, they're personalizing search results now for ad-targeting purposes" and ditched them. The potential for them to deliberately hide things from you was too great.

crummy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I understand the potential for abuse, but it is useful when I search for python and get programming languages and someone else gets snakes.

WA 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve been using DDG for a long time now. Results are getting more and more spammy. Way too many AI-generated / scraped websites nowadays.

Cider9986 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Try Brave.

eviks 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

2. They are MS Bing, how is that better?

NoMoreNicksLeft 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The age of internet search is over. The age of Cloudflare has begun. It wouldn't be possible to build a search engine now if they wanted to... and there wouldn't be anything to search for anyway. The non-corporate internet withered into dust and blew away in the wind.

If you could find what you want, how would they ever sell you what they want you to buy? And I'm not just talking merchandise, though that too. Your political narratives, your values, opinions, everything. And everyone likes it so much they just sit there scrolling and swiping and tapping.

hilti an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm hoping for a future where we create static HTML pages again styled with a bit of handmade CSS, because we're so tired of bot attacks and long loading times. Then suddenly a Cloudflare network becomes absolet.

golly_ned 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Personalized search results are not ipso facto unreliable.

mcv 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

How u reliable personalised search results are depends on who controls the personalization and for what purpose.

I would love a search that lets me ban results from certain sites. I don't like search that's showing skewed results for reasons I don't know or control.

rmunn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It means they're capable of burying news stories that would contradict your worldview and pushing news stories that support your pre-existing biases, leading to more engagement from you (a win from their point of view) but also burying you in an echo chamber. And unless you were in the habit of doing the occasional search in Incognito Mode, you wouldn't know. (And even then, they probably would be able to put together enough clues to figure out your identity even without your Google login cookie).

Yes, the fact that they could do it does not prove that they were doing it, not right away. I ditched them as soon as I found out that they could do it, because I was absolutely certain that eventually, they would end up doing it. And I wanted neutral search results, not biased ones, even ones biased towards my own point of view.

rileymat2 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I subscribe to The New York Times, if I am searching for a news event, I’d appreciate a site that’s not paywalled and I trust be the first result if it is reasonable.

Brian_K_White 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Anything that isn't repeatable is by definition unreliable.

encomiast 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Random number generators notwithstanding.

wombatpm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Same seed gives the same sequence. Use that to debug Monte Carlo simulations all the time.

Brian_K_White an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The definition of "not repeatable" or unreliable in an rng is if it was random sometimes, and predictable other times.

taneq an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They’re unreliably unreliable.