| ▲ | Valodim 5 hours ago |
| > I really wish we could leave these types of decisions up to parents and parents only. Leave the companies and governments out of it. If you'd like to advocate for this position for a living, the tobacco, alcohol, and gambling industries will all be happy to pay you. |
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| ▲ | Retr0id an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| The tobacco, alcohol, and gambling industries want a lot of things, but it doesn't make those things bad by default. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't have a problem showing an ID, I have a problem with an ID being recorded so it can be leaked. |
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| ▲ | lkramer 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Unless you think they are outright lying, the press release does say it will be immediately deleted. |
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| ▲ | throwaway323929 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Kids do all of this stuff anyways, making it illegal doesn't stop it from happening. But we're not talking about a product that kills its users, we're talking about a polymath that can help its users build and create things. Are you intellectually prepared to believe that Claude Code is as dangerous as cigarettes, a product that kills 50% of its users? Do you genuinely believe, as a core belief, that Claude Code will kill 50% of the people that use it? |
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| ▲ | phoghed 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > making it illegal doesn't stop it from happening. Arguing to give kids unfettered access to it but won’t even use it yourself to fact check your own nonsense | |
| ▲ | maipen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Kids do all of this stuff anyways, making it illegal doesn't stop it from happening. This so completely untrue! These things are absolutely effective for the majority of kids.
Just because some stand out in a crowd, doesn't mean others are doing it too. When trying to prevent something, the more friction you add the better. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway323929 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why do you want to add friction to teens having a creativity tool that can help them learn and build things? I don't know what kind of kid you were, but as a kid I would have loved access to my own 24/7 polymath, it would have been an incredibly positive thing in my life. I often think of how much more cool stuff I would have accomplished with that ability. It would have actually benefited my mental health issues a lot, which often rotated around the boredom of living an isolated life in the suburbs and my imagination being unable to keep up with my free time and abilities. If you add friction to good things in addition to bad things, you're just increasing the likelihood that the bad things will be chosen more often. You're also increasing the chances that people will not trust you when you say the actually bad things are bad, because you lied to them about the other thing so maybe you're lying to them about all of it? | | |
| ▲ | x187463 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | This has 'social media will bring us all together' vibes. | |
| ▲ | phoghed 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Seeing what it’s done to my VP’s and execs I can’t imagine the damage it’s going to children smh |
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| ▲ | jachee 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > we're not talking about a product that kills its users Yeah, it just pushes the ones with the tendency to do it themselves. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway323929 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you being sardonic, or can you seriously not tell the difference in harm between smoking cigarettes and Claude? I genuinely don't understand how you can survive in the world with a risk assessment system this damaged. | | |
| ▲ | musha68k 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | "Think of the kids!" OK but the impact of this technology shouldn't be underestimated and one doesn't only have to read up on the extreme ends. From personal experience, have you ever "chatted" with a model outside of technical/work related stuff? Both Anthropic as well as OpenAI models have been overstepping personal (user) boundaries for years now. There are multiple reasons for why Google hasn't capitalized on the transformer much earlier.. I'm neither a proponent of the recent Zuckerberg maneuver to "protect the children!" nor of the EU based zero-knowledge proof track, but the people in those companies need to be kept accountable. The new Claude availability constraints seem to me then like a (late) hedge against any major litigations on that front.. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AI-induced_psycho... | | |
| ▲ | throwaway323929 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They're absolutely doing this as a hedge against litigation, and given the trillion dollar lawsuits flying around, it's hard for me to blame them. Regulation by litigation rather than law creates ambiguous legal precedents that make it much harder to do business safely. That's why the most economically successful countries in the world tend to have the strongest rule of law. The actual root cause of this is our culture moving away from the idea that individuals and families should be free to make these sorts of decisions, and instead believing that heavy-handed authoritarian governments should dictate those choices to us instead. | | |
| ▲ | eigencoder 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I actually disagree, I think the problem is that heavy-handed companies have been dictating choices to us and our children, in contradiction to existing laws, and people are finally saying enough, these companies need to follow the laws. |
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| ▲ | webdood90 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Are you intellectually prepared to believe that Claude Code is as dangerous as cigarettes Yes. Death is just one of the results. There are many, many other ways this could dangerously impact children. | | |
| ▲ | AlienRobot an hour ago | parent [-] | | People have a right to privacy. People should value that more, before it's all gone. |
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