| ▲ | whall6 an hour ago |
| New Gen data centers are closed loop and don’t use water at nearly the same rate as previous generations |
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| ▲ | nomel an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| There's also a power generation water cost though! Something like 500g/MWh for gas/coal/nuclear (~70% of power in AZ), so a huge xAI datacenter (Colossus 2, ~1 GW/h) would use ~700 MW of this type, or ~350k gallons of water an hour, which would be 0.2% of the Colorado rivers flow rate last year. I don't know if that's significant. |
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| ▲ | derektank 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Pulling recent data from the EIA, of the roughly 10,000 megawatts of new power capacity installed in Arizona between 2023 and 2025, 50% is batteries, 40% solar, 6.5% wind, and 3.5% gas. Now, most solar and wind plants rarely if ever hit their nameplate capacity, but it’s pretty clear the large majority of new power generation isn’t consuming water.
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/eia860/ | | |
| ▲ | nomel 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Does that change the math above if they're tied into the grid? If they're tied directly to the renewables (Meta is doing this in some places), then true, not a technical increase. But you could still maybe claim they're instead preventing the equivalent reduction on average/grid (and, say, decommission of some of that coal). I suppose that's a separate point. | | |
| ▲ | derektank 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | If it’s truly separated (no interconnect agreement) or generation capacity is below 1 MW, it won’t show up in EIA data, yes. Rooftop solar is also not included in the data for that reason. |
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| ▲ | hn993302 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Got an example? I'm pretty sure new datacenters are still using cooling towers. |
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