Why are people here jumping so quickly to conclusions? I have no doubt OpenAI is capable of doing this, but right now there's no credible evidence, only claims.

This kind of "they stole from me through AI training!" accusation will soon start being used against other AI users, not necessarily the providers.

All it will take is a mastodon post. And shortly after, we will also see the next iteration of copyright legal trolling.

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orangecat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why are people here jumping so quickly to conclusions?

I think a lot of it is the continuing denial that AI can do anything useful. It can't possibly be that OpenAI's better-than-Astra model is very strong at math; the only way it could have generated a novel proof is by ripping off human work.

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robotpepi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but right now there's no credible evidence, only claims.

since it's openAI who has the evidence (in the form of chain of thoughts, their internal processes, etc etc), it's on them to justify why they're innocent. but they've released nothing at all. we don't even know how hard they tried.

you're being naive

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orangecat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

OpenAI has said that their models were definitely not trained on any of Buckmaster's sessions after July 3rd (from https://archive.ph/75WcF); likely they found that's when he switched the "allow training" setting off.

	▲	cma 3 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It's also possible he shared drafts of the work with someone else, who asked chatgpt to explain it to them with training on. Tao seemed to know lots of details of the work before anything was published, though also worked on the problem in the past with big results so maybe just guessed.

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freejazz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

lol you can't copyright mathematics

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emp17344 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Frankly, these mathematicians have more credibility than the sociopaths running OpenAI

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perrygeo 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The stolen data claim isn't the smoking gun. We can already assume the frontier labs are accessing our data, as they have repeated done. Not news.

The big claim is that OpenAI sniped the research. Not a model, a human did so. Intentionally. They took someone else's idea and claimed it as their own. This is good old fashioned academic fraud, but with millions in compute resources and corporate incentives thrown at the problem.

	▲	HDThoreaun 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Where did they claim it as their own? Doesn’t the release cite buckmaster and claim their work is a continuation of what he and levent were working on?