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cldellow a day ago

The editorializing in this article is quite something.

If I strip out the editorializing, I think the conclusions are:

1. Someone told Claude they had an AR-15 and the CEO of Anthropic was "in their sights". Anthropic reported this to the police.

2. Anthropic contracts with a security agency.

3. Anthropic is looking to build in-house capability for security.

Anthropic clearly has high-value targets (see, e.g. the person with the AR-15 from point 1). When I worked at Microsoft in the 2000s, they also had in-house security to investigate threats against facilities and executives.

I would believe Anthropic is doing evil things, but I don't think this article actually makes that claim, despite the bombast about "pre-crime".

slowin a day ago | parent | next [-]

That's not the only example discussed. Anthropic also partners with the Palantir-like Samdesk:

> In a wide-ranging conversation about threat monitoring and analysis, the interview also touches on monitoring activists. “Last year we had an executive travel into a major city when we received some intelligence through Samdesk about a planned protest,” Ellison said. The originally scheduled protest was moved up due to permitting issues. “Samdesk gave us about 60 minutes of advanced notice that the protest organizers had moved the timeline,” Ellison explained. “That extra hour was critical. Without it our executives would have departed their meetings, they would have ran right into the heart of the disruption.”

So they're monitoring activists outside of Anthropic's systems.

embedding-shape a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Without it our executives would have departed their meetings, they would have ran right into the heart of the disruption

Oh no, The Executives might have been exposed to the real world! Why aren't people thinking more about The Executives and what dangers they must face?! Good thing we can systematically monitor every other human being so The Executives don't have to see these terrorists on our streets.

SR2Z 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, obviously nothing bad ever happens when someone walks out into an emotional crowd of people who hate them.

laimewhisps 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Bad for who? I absolutely want people violating my rights to be confronted, regularly.

SR2Z 19 hours ago | parent [-]

How are your rights being violated?

I'm sure you have a solid and thought-out answer that justifies such a casual attitude towards violence.

customguy 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> such a casual attitude towards violence.

How is protest violence?

Ancapistani 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’m all for protesting, but surely you can agree that there is heightened risk if a person is in close proximity to people who oppose them strongly enough to act.

The whole purpose of a protest is to cause behavioral change; their hustling them out the back door is a success.

SR2Z 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do protests ever lead to violence? Are you being obtuse or do you believe this is actually safe?

customguy 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All sorts of things can lead to violence, including a failure to protest. With enough weasel words, anything can sound reasonable, to people who don't pay attention to that stuff. So?

defrost 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does driving a car ever lead to violence? Are you being obtuse or do you believe this is actually safe?

deaux 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> How are your rights being violated?

Surveillance capitalism.

> I'm sure you have a solid and thought-out answer that justifies such a casual attitude towards violence.

The ones with a casual attitude towards violence are those executives. Facebook leadership showed an incredibly casual attitude towards the genocide in Myanmar in which their platform played a huge role. Their purchases of doomsday bunkers further help show their attitude towards violence.

laimewhisps 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm being surveilled and profiled by these companies. Let their CEOs feel maximum heat.

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urams a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Palantir-like"

I guess you've chosen to do the editorializing for the writers in lieu of their presence here.

culi 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well they're also actually partnering with Palantir too. Claude was the model integrated into their Maven system that helped the US military determine targets in Iran (including the Minab elementary school)

cma a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Explain, it looks like samdesk is in a more narrow domain but overlapping and very related methods and business. Un-palantir-like seems like it would be a stronger editorialization.

bri3d a day ago | parent | next [-]

Palantir sell consulting services ("forward deployed engineering") around graph and map database platforms, using data supplied by customers. Some of their customers ask them to make surveillance aggregation systems, others ask them to make totally banal and random enterprise software (this is why you commonly see freak-outs around hospitals buying "Palantir," for example; usually they are operating as consultants making some kind of medical records warehousing system owned by the customer).

Samdesk provide risk analytics using traditional risk analysis investigation and research, which they have now welded an "AI platform" to, like everyone does these days. They aggregate crime and protest data to make a map of "places your employees might be at risk" and sell it to companies.

Samdesk would be a Palantir _customer_ if they liked parting with their money, not a competitor; Palantir operate at a much "lower level" and don't do the data collection or research on their own.

urams a day ago | parent | prev [-]

If by "overlapping and very related methods" you mean "use any form of data analysis whatsoever" then, yup, they are basically the same company.

cma 18 hours ago | parent [-]

If I heard Palantir-like I wouldn't assume something like a perfect mirror competitor company.

laimewhisps a day ago | parent | prev [-]

They are literally a Palantir competitor: https://www.samdesk.io/about-us

urams a day ago | parent | next [-]

Weird that they don't compare themselves to Palantir then!

https://imgur.com/a/eKAQKSN

laimewhisps a day ago | parent [-]

Why would you take any of these companies at their word? They know Palantir is toxic.

urams 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Your 4D chess model of their thinking is that the risk they run of mentioning a direct competitor, that their potential customers would also be considering, is so great that the value of that comparison is dwarfed by the costs of the risk, so they don't do it. This is some next level strategic thinking.

I have to wonder, though, why doesn't Palantir mention them? https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apalantir.com+samdesk

They seem to mention actual competitors: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Apalantir.com+c3

Given your 4D chess logic, they really should be mentioning all their competitors to poison their wells.

laimewhisps 20 hours ago | parent [-]

This isn't as complicated as you're making it. Both companies market themselves as surveillance tools for oppressive regimes. Flock is similar. Do they have exactly the same business model? No. But their brand is spying on the public and protecting those in power.

urams 19 hours ago | parent [-]

"Motte? Meet Bailey."

> Both companies market themselves as surveillance tools for oppressive regimes.

Look at some of these "surveillance tools" that they are marketing to "oppressive regimes". Their website brags about these deeply oppressive surveillance features:

- Identifying material threats to your workforce - Integration with Concur and your HRIS

Look at some of the "oppressive regimes" they sell to, such as the evil Amnesty International: https://imgur.com/a/U4Zef3x

laimewhisps 19 hours ago | parent [-]

We're literally commenting on an article where this company tracked anti-AI activists and Anthropic actioned on that.

urams 19 hours ago | parent [-]

We're literally commenting on an article where Samdesk flagged a public protest to Anthropic security and Anthropic employees chose to not go by it. The absolute EVIL of a public protest being avoided by people is UNSPEAKABLE. That a company would ever even consider offering information about public protests to people is OPPRESSIVE.

laimewhisps 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Unironically yes.

urams 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Unironically oppressive: https://www.actiontogetherwest.org/bayarea

Unironically oppressive: https://indivisiblesf.org/events

Unironically oppressive: https://aroc.herokuapp.com/events/

Per you.

laimewhisps an hour ago | parent [-]

Again, tracking anti-AI protests to help AI executives avoid being held responsible for their company's actions is oppressive. I don't care what PR this company does to try to whitewash its image. Their actions speak louder than their propaganda.

crimsoneer a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This is not at all what Palantir OR SamDesk does. SamDesk processes and sells data (eg, has agreements with various news/social media websites etc and converts that to a nice API of events). Palantir sells software to use all sorts of data, including stuff like SamDesk (hence why I suspect plenty of Palantir customers are ALSO SamDesk customers). They're complimentary rather than competing products.

brightball a day ago | parent | prev [-]

When activists threaten to and follow through with killing people, demand is created.

We are 1 year out from Charlie Kirk being shot on a college campus, in case reminders are needed.

Many dark corners of the internet encourage and celebrate this type of thing more and more.

croes a day ago | parent | next [-]

Why emphasize Charlie Kirk‘s death?

What about Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark killed earlier in the same year?

It’s still people like Kirk who are against effective gun control.

“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment,”

brightball 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Why Charlie?

Because tomorrow is 1 year to the day and it’s on my mind.

Hortman? Agreed. Much more attention needs to be paid to why she was killed less than a week after breaking from her party to vote for something on Trumps agenda.

defrost 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The far right Christian evangelist that shot Hortman was a an anti-abortion Trump supporter who shot another Minnesota legislator the same day and had papers indicating he had others targeted in addition to perhaps wanting to shoot up a No Kings protest.

His "confession" letter was rambling and nonsensical, his motivation appeared to be a belief that killing at least four democrats (any four) would be enough to shift the balance of power in the state.

brightball 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Thus far, the only motive given is a confession that's been discredited and various associations to paint him in one light or another depending on the news you read.

If you follow the money, a picture starts to form.

June 9, 2025 - Melissa Hortman broke from House Democrats and cast the deciding vote to remove Medicaid/Medicare benefits from illegal immigrants. She was the only House Democrat to vote yes; the bill passed 68–65.

https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-budget-deal-undocumente...

June 14, 2025 - Hortman was killed, along with her husband Mark, at their Brooklyn Park home.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/16/us/minnesota-lawmakers-ma...

June 15, 2025 - Her killer, Vance Boelter, was caught near Green Isle, Minnesota, after a roughly 43-hour manhunt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/16/us/minnesota-lawmakers-ma...

June 20, 2025 - News first broke that Boelter claimed Tim Walz asked him to kill Hortman and others. The claim was not found credible. The full letter was released with the federal indictment on July 15, 2025; prosecutors called it a fantasy and said they found no evidence supporting it.

https://www.startribune.com/vance-boelter-letter-klobuchar-w...

December 18, 2025 - The DOJ announced investigations into Minnesota Medicaid fraud, saying it was examining 14 Medicaid-funded programs and said more than half of about $18 billion spent since 2018 was likely stolen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/18/us/minnesota-fraud-scanda...

December 23, 2025 - Nick Shirley first posted on X about Somali-run Minnesota daycare fraud, highlighting Quality Learning Center and claiming it received $1.9 million in CCAP funds in 2025.

https://x.com/nickshirleyy/status/2003542404440404302 (5.4 million views)

December 26, 2026 - Shirley posted the full 42-minute video, I Investigated Minnesota’s Billion Dollar Fraud Scandal, visiting about 10 Somali-run centers and claiming more than $110 million in fraud in one day.

https://x.com/nickshirleyy/status/2004642794862961123 (144.1 million views)

January 5, 2026 - Walz dropped his reelection campaign amid the fraud controversy and federal pressure. He said he would stay in office and focus on the work in front of him.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/05/us/minnesota-child-care-fraud...

February 25, 2026 - The U.S. government announced it was pausing Medicaid support to Minnesota due to fraud. Vice President JD Vance and CMS Administrator Mehmet Oz announced a temporary halt of about $259 million in Medicaid payments.

https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-medicaid-funding-fraud-...

March 4, 2026 - It was publicized that members of the Walz administration were aware of and ignored reports of the fraud as early as 2019, in a House Oversight Committee interim report released the same day Walz and Attorney General Keith Ellison testified. A longer final report followed on June 8, 2026.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/house-oversight-commi...

May 21, 2026 - DOJ announced charges against 15 defendants in more than $90 million in Minnesota Medicaid and related fraud, including the first new childcare-provider cases after the April raids.

https://www.twincities.com/2026/05/21/minnesota-fraud-new-ch...

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laimewhisps 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's funny that you say that about Hortman when it was Kirk who broke from the pro-Israel party line and was almost immediately eliminated. Also why are you calling him Charlie? Did you personally know him?

brightball 17 hours ago | parent [-]

His name is Charlie Kirk. I don't always use people's full names to refer to them?

laimewhisps an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's generally considered parasocial to call famous people you don't know by their first name.

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laimewhisps a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pressure on powerful people is good for society. Anyone making life or death decisions for the rest of us should have their own life on the table as well.

Charlie Kirk is irrelevant to this conversation. No one has been convicted in his assassination and it's unlikely that it was "activism" since no one has claimed that. He's a guy who said stuff many people found offensive, he also happened to cross a nation state known for assassinations and subterfuge shortly before he was shot.

SoftTalker a day ago | parent [-]

I'm only vaguely familiar with Charlie Kirk and his messaging but assassination is never a valid response to being offended.

thephyber a day ago | parent | next [-]

> The Democrat Party believes everything that God hates. Like, we’re dealing with maggots, vermin, and swine here. This is not — these are not good people, they’re not even a little bit good.[1]

He also called for the death of Biden (because he was a "tyrant") and all surgeons of transgender people.

If he was merely trying to be offensive, then he succeeded.

If, however, he was trying to make someone fear enough for their life to preemptively defend himself from someone claiming to speak for God + using the same dehumanizing words that have preceded multiple genocides before, then he succeeded.

A "valid" response entirely depends on what you think he was apart of. If you think he was only involved in good faith debates on college campuses and getting out the vote, then obviously shooting the guy was unjustified. But he wasn't only that, so we have to struggle with what his legacy actually was and what might have driven someone to pick up a gun against him.

My point isn't to justify his killing. It's to point out that we need to learn from history so we don't blindly repeat it.

[1] https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-refer...

brightball 19 hours ago | parent [-]

His entire life is on video. Please pull direct quotes for any of that.

I watched in the aftermath of his death as all of these horrible things he supposedly said were paraded around. Every one was manipulated nonsense.

The machine hated Charlie for telling the truth and people were listening.

Ancapistani 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think the point of GP’s post was to claim one way or the other; rather it’s saying that it’s important to understand the motivations of others if you’re going to publicly characterize their actions or effectively oppose them.

rc5150 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Charlie Kirk, the trans activist? never heard of her.

laimewhisps a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No one knows why Charlie Kirk was killed. Plenty of theories but it doesn't have anything to do with anti-AI or even anti-CEO protests.

LtWorf 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think having health insurance denied isn't "being offended" but more akin to being killed.

croes a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> While talking with his father over the phone on September 11, Robinson allegedly told his father that he had killed Kirk because "there is too much evil and the guy [Kirk] spreads too much hate".

That is not being offended.

That isn’t so much different from Trump‘s reasoning when he decided to blow Venezuelan boats.

woodgala a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Dark corners?!?

The president of the US celebrated the killing of State senator Hortman.

The fish rots at the head.

addled a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think I missed this one (or lost in the flood of news). Got a link?

All I can find now is him pushing conspiracy theories about it.

Him actually celebrating would be the sort of thing that might convince some MAGA leaning folks I know to change their mind.

nickthegreek a day ago | parent | next [-]

Not the person you are replying to, but I wanted to dig into this. I do not see any evidence that he celebrated this. He did decide to try and blame it Waltz though..

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/04/trump-circulates-fa...

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1158335374671...

brightball 19 hours ago | parent [-]

The guy who killed her claimed Tim Waltz put him up to it. It wasn’t found to be credible.

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brightball 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Melissa Hortman died less than a week after voting against her party to support something on Trumps agenda.

Sabinus 18 hours ago | parent [-]

And? You're suggesting she was assassinated for voting for Trump supported legislation, by a Trump supporter?

rottencupcakes a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is dangerous. I think of talking to an LLM like playing a game - it's a complex system and it's fun to mess with it and role play.

Taking what somebody says in an LLM chat as the truth and using it in the real world is a slippery slope. The fears about thought crime are real.

cldellow a day ago | parent | next [-]

In my view, LLM companies are in a tough spot here.

I grew up in Dawson Creek, BC. An hour's drive away is Tumbler Ridge. In February 2026, someone did a mass shooting, killing 6 people and injuring 2 dozen more.

The shooter had previously discussed this with ChatGPT, but OpenAI did not report it to the authorities at the time.

In hindsight, that was an error.

Should the LLM companies be the ones determining if threats are real, or should they just default to letting the police investigate?

I'm fine with the latter. Again, I absolutely believe that these companies have immense power to do evil, I just don't think the linked article is strong evidence of it.

rottencupcakes a day ago | parent [-]

By allowing the monitoring of AI conversations, we are creating a dystopian world where essentially all recorded or spoken thought is monitored (given that AI has or will have access to almost all conversations).

Is this the world we want to live in?

SoftTalker a day ago | parent | next [-]

Like anything else online, if you want something to be private, don't post it.

Absolutely nothing you view, send or post on any online service can be assumed to be private.

If someone told you they were planning a mass shooting and wanted advice for how to carry it out, would you report them?

NewJazz a day ago | parent [-]

So do you think offline language models should be outlawed or restricted?

SoftTalker a day ago | parent [-]

I don't know how you inferred that. I said nothing about restricting offline computing.

NewJazz a day ago | parent [-]

Ok, so the rules for someone who selfhosts vs. Hosts for others should be different? What if I provide inference services to my family members, should I monitor their interactions and report them if I find anything dangerous?

SoftTalker a day ago | parent [-]

It's more about what I can expect.

If I keep a diary offline on paper I can expect that to be private.

If I keep a diary on a hosted diary-as-a-service, I cannot.

NewJazz 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Many people have different expectations. Isn't that what this whole conversation is about?

You didn't answer my question.

cldellow a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, I don't want to live in that world, and I would definitely read an article discussing how to ensure we don't reach that world.

That said, I think that world is quite a few steps away from the scenario being discussed, which is "when talking to X, X might report my conversation to the police".

You comment elsewhere that this might be a have vs have-not divide -- if you can afford to self-host a powerful LLM, you will have more liberties.

I think this isn't that trenchant of an observation for two reasons: (1) the wealthy have always had an advantage in exercising their rights over the poor, but more importantly, (2) the capability vs cost ratio of self-hosted LLMs continues to improve at an insanely rapid pace.

Hizonner a day ago | parent [-]

... and the advantage of the frontier models over anything you can possibly self-host continues to increase at an even more insane pace.

serf a day ago | parent [-]

It's my perspective that open models are closing the gap faster than the frontier is widening it.

I'm not alone in that opinion.

Hizonner 4 hours ago | parent [-]

By "open models", do you perhaps mean the approximately trillion-parameter open models that have been getting released recently? Because basically nobody can actually self-host those. And even at that size it's debatable that they're closing the gap.

Talk to me when you can do it with a 24B model quantized to 8 bits.

palmotea a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Is this the world we want to live in?

Do you think you have a choice? It's Sam, Dario, and their investors' decision about what kind of world they want to build.

4d4m a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The legal fallout from LLMs becoming spy will overwhelm any profit from these misguided attempts at short lived contracts.

palmotea a day ago | parent [-]

> The legal fallout from LLMs becoming spy will overwhelm any profit from these misguided attempts at short lived contracts.

Then the law must be changed to protect the profit.

generic92034 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While I mostly agree, was that really different with googling certain topics, before modern AI?

rottencupcakes a day ago | parent | next [-]

I had to give this thought, but yes.

I could use Tor or Google from the library if I wanted. Maybe I would accidentally leak my paper trail, like the Dread Pirate Roberts (Ross Ulbricht) did. But it was possible.

The AI systems require an account.

generic92034 a day ago | parent [-]

I can still use chatgpt without an account. Maybe it will be a limited model, but for discussing/analyzing some topics it still does fine, most of the time. You just cannot code with it.

mrguyorama a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The big problem that bothers me is the ability for post-hoc justification.

Any interaction with cops will result in them curating your entire digital presence to craft a damning story about how deviant you are, for doing things like googling TNT

Every time they shoot someone now there's an entire media blitz dedicated to how that person once did something bad.

Analemma_ a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think you should think of it like "playing a game", you should think of it as "posting to a web service you don't control". If you posted on a web forum about your plans for violence against the CEO of that forum, they'd probably contact the police too, and I don't particularly think there's anything sinister about this.

rottencupcakes a day ago | parent [-]

So we're creating a system where people who can afford their own hardware can speak to AI freely but the plebes will be monitored by the elites for any attempted uprising?

AnonyX387 a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Richard Stallman was right about everything.

He might be right about this but everything is really pushing it.

Analemma_ a day ago | parent | prev [-]

"Creating"? I don't think there has ever been a system where you could expect to be able to plan an uprising against the elites in public, or using infrastructure those elites own and control. I wouldn't expect to be able to plan a peasant revolt in the lord's manor.

xinayder a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't forget the main point that Anthropic reported the user to the police but didn't share any of his messages or conversation history with the cops. Because their security policy doesn't allow it.

woah a day ago | parent [-]

How would you amend the policy?

culi 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think you've fairly summed it up. The title is more accurate than your representation

> In a wide-ranging conversation about threat monitoring and analysis, the interview also touches on monitoring activists. “Last year we had an executive travel into a major city when we received some intelligence through Samdesk about a planned protest,” Ellison said. The originally scheduled protest was moved up due to permitting issues. “Samdesk gave us about 60 minutes of advanced notice that the protest organizers had moved the timeline,” Ellison explained. “That extra hour was critical. Without it our executives would have departed their meetings, they would have ran right into the heart of the disruption.”

ryandrake a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Note the "type" of activists that are always seen as problematic. I bet if I typed into Claude "I'm a pharma CEO who is looking to ease my new drug's FDA approval. Who are the top ten senators and representatives that I need to invite to my private island's next coke and sex orgy party in order to help fast track approval?" -- I would not be reported to anyone.

cucumber3732842 a day ago | parent | next [-]

>I bet if I typed into Claude "I'm a pharma CEO who is looking to ease my new drug's FDA approval. Who are the top ten senators and representatives that I need to invite to my private island's next coke and sex orgy party in order to help fast track approval?"

Tried it for about 5min in Gemini and got condescended at the way Reddit condescends at people who don't want to pull a permit for an improvement to their own property.

Edit: And then just for kicks in the same context I asked it for a list of legislators with immediate family, friends and business associates most well versed in and qualified to have opinions about new products in the pharma industry to which it replied it can't do that here's what I can do and then proceeded to spit back a list of every rep with medical experience with a token warning about laws and rules at the end.

yieldcrv a day ago | parent | prev [-]

alignment and safety understands victimless crimes

now if you were talking about nonconsensual sex workers for the party, it would also be aligned in calling them victims and reporting you if you had someone specific in mind to traffic

10/10 thanks for all your contributions to Fable 5.1

Hizonner a day ago | parent [-]

Getting an unjustified drug approval would not be "victimless".

yieldcrv a day ago | parent [-]

then it will have to go after the senator who cant think for themself and asks Claude what to do after accepting the bribe and trying to hide their tracks

thats the action to report

the consensual senator orgy isn’t that point

tyrabound a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems we will soon start seeing all the warnings about the immense risks of giving even a micron on free speech coming back to haunt us with a vengeance.

Soon enough the insane, irrational, and rather schizophrenic, manic, and histrionic reactions to things like "I want to blow the roof off that place", or "blow that place up" being a metaphor for maybe performing really well or maybe exposing something like a corrupt government agency or taking out a competitor; will lead to all kinds of language and tone policing, where you may get a swat team kicking down your door because AI perceived that you said something with a certain tone in your voice.

Just today Gemini policed as something like "harmful or dangerous prompts" for asking "where do I look up if there have been state level indictments/charges against someone".

People keep rightfully calling Trump a wannabe king, but all of these tone/speech and even action policing trends have been going on for many years and even decades now. This is not solely a Trump admin. issue, there has been a continuity of agenda across effectively all administrations for many decades. The exactly number of decades is at this point moot.

alistairSH a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1b. Anthroptic refused to provide the police with evidence of said AR-15 wielding person. "Some guy said he's after me, why would I lie about such a thing?"

cldellow a day ago | parent [-]

I would personally be fine with Anthropic disclosing the chat logs, but I can see why they'd prefer not to. No doubt that would have resulted in another complaint about them building a panopticon and sharing people's conversations verbatim with the authorities.

The person doesn't seem to deny having written the messages, or claim that they were flagrantly taken out of context. His response to the media was that he was "just fucking around" and that he didn't want to talk about it.

It's also worth mentioning that this happened in August 2026, after the February 2026 Tumbler Ridge BC shooting. The shooter in that scenario had discussed planning gun violence with ChatGPT, but ChatGPT didn't report it to the authorities, so no follow up happened. Presumably the LLM companies have decided to more aggressively report these things to the police as a result.

alistairSH a day ago | parent [-]

yeah, not sure what the right answer here is... but it definitely isn't "trust us, we would never lie (fingers crossed behind back)".

What does a non-AI company do? If I emailed Tim Cook and said I had a gun and was coming for him, I imagine Apple would turn the email over to their security team, who would then go to the local PD/FBI/whoever. I'd expect the same here, at least for anything that resembles a direct threat.

This isn't quite into the pre-crime sci-fi zone yet, IMO. That would be more like "this guy bought a gun, then bought gas out of state, then did something else, therefore he must be planning an assassination". Unfortunately, I expect this situation will end up reported as well, and the police, looking for work to do, will take it as gospel and charge ahead without a second thought (like the recent journalist with a "bad" (aka fat-fingered) license plate).

robhlt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your Microsoft example is only equivalent if Microsoft was also scanning hotmail and MSN messenger for threats against the company.

cldellow a day ago | parent [-]

I think I see where you're coming from, but to me, the analogy falls short.

I think it's because email has the postal system metaphor to work with: I put my letter in an envelope, the post office just forwards it. Similarly, Hotmail does not _need_ knowledge of the contents of my email to forward it to its destination. If you asked a user who had access to their email, they might reasonably expect only the recipient would.

With LLMs, it is quite clear to the user that you are interacting with _something_ that is inspecting your messages and reacting to them. If you asked the user who had access to their inputs, they'd probably say "Claude" or "Anthropic". Thus, when Claude rats them out for threatening violence, they probably wouldn't be that surprised.

To me, this feels much closer to someone phoning up Microsoft's customer support phone number and mentioning that they have a gun and know where Bill Gates lives, and that then resulting in a visit from the police. I do idly wonder if it was intentional that this user had this conversation with Claude, and not, say, with ChatGPT or Gemini.

_the_inflator a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"It is all just for your safety." and other excuses.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is viable by Anthropic to do so, it is a business decision. Nevertheless the reasons sound contrived and mask the demand for such a lucrative business opportunity, if you abstract it away from activists.

This is not about moral, only about reality.

Maybe Anthropic had a nice chat with the administration and/or think, that this was something, that interests them on a psychological level: predicting human behavior.

Look at Muse from Meta: Meta is doing exactly the same I bet, to optimize their ad business.

Anthropic will sooner or later feature ads, and maybe this is a way to distract from this usage possibility.

Remember, the "No! We don't work with the government, we want privacy for our customers." mantra won't match with "We need to make money and surveillance of our customers would be helpful as well as a cool topic for our engineers to work on."

Anthropic itself will be yet another normal Big Tech company, all, even those who boasted "Don't be evil" or encrypt like hell their smartphones allegedly made good bucks in China.

It is ok, no problem with that by Anthropic just with their hypocrisy in my point of view.

paimapi a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, it's the same sort of slippery slope that the progressive left was saying about the formation of DHS and ICE in the early 2000s that everyone poo-poo'd and said 'no way that'll happen in America' - that these depts would end up being a tools of fascistic repression of political opponents (eg NSPM-7) and a major vehicle for inflicting mass suffering on immigrants of all stripes

Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're not. But cautioning skepticism towards multi-billion dollar institutions with a lot of power and how good their intentions really are is never a wrong move, imo

plus, what do we have to lose from increasing pressure on Anthropic to not participate in a surveillance state? there's no political advantage to being their defender here unless you're super bought into the branding