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dgellow 3 hours ago

No AI company is doing that. There is some benefits but that’s not what any AI for profit will ever focus upon

heaney-555 3 hours ago | parent [-]

DeepMind objectively is doing that. The world is not so black and white as "evil profit-hungry corporations will never do anything good".

dgellow 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I preemptively acknowledged that in my comment…

surgical_fire 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If Google does anything good for the world it is entirely accidental, and I am certain they will correct this mistake later.

godwinson__4-8 an hour ago | parent [-]

Market reward is the best proxy for good we have.

What's your alternative? Executive fiat? Mob rule?

Deepmind is objectively good. These endeavors would always cost money. Better private capital than state, no one has to give Google anything. The state is not so generous.

almostdeadguy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Mob rule, aka Democracy.

rightnutwingjob an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, we can just vote ourselves largess from the public purse.

godwinson__4-8 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not what democracy is.

Every single serious theorist of democracy has recognized this.

Democracy is about rule of law and institutions, not simply the mob.

Tyranny of the majority is the paramount concern of all democracies. Nevertheless, institutions can fail.

The idea that democracy always leads to desirable outcomes is evidently false by historical record.

I just don't understand people who think the state is better than Google. Google pretty much works. Google does not have police powers. Google cant surround your car and point guns at your family. Most of the bad things about Google are actually forced upon them by the state. Who could have even a passing knowledge of history and think states are somehow safer than corporations?

Take the United States. Should Donald Trump get a say in how to run Google? Maybe you like him, so how about the guy that comes after him, or the next one after that?

The American mob seems intent on leading their country into the gutter. Good thing (despite what the mob has thrown at it) that the United States still has strong institutions and strong markets. Without Silicon Valley, America would have already lost its place on the world stage.

But please lets hear more indictments from a population who can't even agree with itself on the issues already under the government's purview. Now let's set a precedent for even more state interference in the market, that way when your party (whatever side you are on) chokes the next future election away the next nut you don't agree with has even more power? Is that your plan?

surgical_fire an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Market reward is the best proxy for good we have.

Only if the goal is profit. All else be damned.

> What's your alternative? Executive fiat? Mob rule?

It is always bewildering to me that people see the world being raped by corporations and their negative externality, and they think that this is the pinnacle that humanity can achieve.

Nothing else can be better, if all your options are "mob rule" or "executive fiat".

I fancy myself a misanthrope, but damn, next to people in this forum I am probably the last humanist walking through the ruins of civilization.

> Deepmind is objectively good.

Google is objectively bad, and the world would be a much nicer place if they ceased to exist.

godwinson__4-8 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> It is always bewildering to me that people see the world being raped by corporations and their negative externality, and they think that this is the pinnacle that humanity can achieve.

> I fancy myself a misanthrope, but damn, next to people in this forum I am probably the last humanist walking through the ruins of civilization.

A humanist who uses a term of sexual violence so cavalierly?

If you are in the United States and you want a good civic lesson in state power, you should go to your nearest metropolitan criminal court. Maybe you will have a more accurate view of what government means then. At the very least, you will likely learn to banish such a casual invocation of that word from your lexicon.

> Nothing else can be better, if all your options are "mob rule" or "executive fiat".

What we have now is the middle ground between king and mob. It took centuries and much carnage to achieve. Does the famous Churchill quote really need to keep being repeated? Do you have an alternative proposal? Or maybe you have a sensible proposal that falls within the established democratic bounds? Or perhaps instead by "would be a much nicer place if they ceased to exist" we should simply infer a generalized whining rather than any specific policy prescription?

What's your actual idea, do you have one?

Maybe if you endeavored to communicate without self-satisfied hyperbole you would find we actually have reason to agree with each other.

rightnutwingjob an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Only if the goal is profit. All else be damned.

And yet, in order to generate profit an organisation must convince people to buy their products and services at a price high enough that to cover costs and more

This means the products and services must be good, unless you think people who buy products and services are fucking idiots.

> I fancy myself a misanthrope

Oh, I see. Not only do you think people are fucking idiots, you also believe the they should be put to death.

It is, after all, the only way to “save the planet” from The Evil People and their “Corporations”.

Grow the fuck up.

dgellow 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Writes „Grow the fuck up“.

Proceeds to write a rant that would make r/teenagers blush, based on a misunderstanding of the word misanthrope.

picofarad 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Misanthrope doesn't mean "wants people to be dead" what a wild thing to say

rightnutwingjob 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

It does in practice.

Try talking to a misanthrope.

You’ll quickly learn that humanity sucks and “the planet” would be better off without us. And the sooner the better.

Go, survey the field.

Exoristos an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Executive fiat, given the right executive body, and undergirded by healthy autarkies or other cell-type self-direction, worked well in most locales for most of the years humans have been humans. Certain flashy civilizations, Sumer, Greece, have tended to draw the spotlight incommensurately with their population sizes. But even these functioned much more like what I describe above than anything modern.