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smokel 4 hours ago

The number of weekly downloads has simply been increasing over time, due to growing popularity. Calling each new high "record-breaking" is a bit meaningless.

Unix timestamp counter breaks record after writing this comment.

jrflo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's the tried and true headline method of "event 2 happened after event 1", implying a causal effect between the two, despite no evidence of such effect existing. Technically the headline is correct, in the same way that "Canada Tariffs $20b in US Goods After Amazon Plane Crash" is also correct.

r_lee 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"it's our most powerful X ever" - every Apple event ever

Operyl 2 hours ago | parent [-]

God, I'm hoping that this phraseology changes with the new CEO, I am so tired of that overused statement haha.

WesolyKubeczek 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Didn’t Steve Jobs use that formula as well? The most powerful thing we released compared to last year’s thing we released?

reactordev an hour ago | parent | next [-]

He loved the term “revolutionary”

Operyl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

A woman can dream!

mossTechnician 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There has to be a much stronger correlation between good press for a software release and the subsequent downloads of it, even if a certain number of downloads were inevitable.

gadrev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

chacha102 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The only reason I know this is the West Wing. I guess some TV applies in the real world too...

phyzix5761 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

David Hume would argue that the causal effect is never seen between 2 events so what's the difference?

hbn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LibreOffice breaks download records after Trump renames Lake Ontario to Lake America

onraglanroad an hour ago | parent [-]

Did that actually happen as something that appears on maps or did it just get ignored as senile rambling?

altmanaltman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

David Hume reads the news

figassis 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is actually no correct. A record by definition is an unsurpassed accomplishment or statistic. It needs to be an accomplishment before it can be called a record. The passage of time does not qualify as a record. Also, a statistical certainty cannot be called a record.

rc5150 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The year 2025 progressed to 2026. Never in the history of the Gregorian calendar have we EVER made it to 2026. That is an accomplishment. That is a record.

onraglanroad an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not an accomplishment. It's obviously been recorded and is therefore a record.

MoonWalk 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But still nice to hear. Really timely, too, since my 83-year-old mom called me the other day to help her E-mail a document she prepared in LibreOffice. I installed it on her (seldom-used) computer years ago. So I talked her through E-mailing it with Thunderbird.

And I say "talked," because the jagoffs at Microsoft REMOVED Remote Assistance from every version of Windows used by people who are likely to need it. And MS Office is trash; the more people abandon it the better.

If I can get my mom on Linux... hey now!

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deepsun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the issue of getting her on Linux? I bet she wouldn't see a difference, especially if its GUI is similar to Windows, like Linux Mint.

john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>because the jagoffs at Microsoft REMOVED Remote Assistance from every version of Windows used by people who are likely to need it.

when did they remove quick assist? i thought i used it recently (within a month or two), but maybe im misremembering. a quick google still shows it as available for home installs.

LordDragonfang an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>And I say "talked," because the jagoffs at Microsoft REMOVED Remote Assistance from every version of Windows used by people who are likely to need it.

https://rustdesk.com/

But also, you'll notice that giant banner on the linked page. It's because the people "most likely to need it" are also those most likely to fall victim to the increasing number of remote assistance scams.

JaumeGreen 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I use Google remote desktop with my mother. It's not perfect but it's adequate.

robrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From Libre’s announcement (linked in the article):

“This is the highest number of downloads in the first week of any LibreOffice release!”

tempfile 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't understand this comment. You don't seem to be disagreeing with OP?

robrain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There is a specific record being claimed.

They're not just saying the absolute downloads are going up, as the OP suggests.

ksymph 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Their point was more that, if every 'weekly download count after a new release' (or whatever record) is consistently being broken on each new release due to generally increasing popularity, then it doesn't make sense to imply causality between the messaging around this particular release and its already-expected record-breaking status.

Timon3 an hour ago | parent [-]

And that's the case? Weekly download numbers have been consistently trending upwards?

tux3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're saying the weekly numbers grow a little bit every week, so every week is technically record breaking.

The absolute number of lifetime downloads can of course only go up (but that's even more vacuous).

robrain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Their last sentence:

“Unix timestamp counter breaks record after writing this comment”

makes that vacuous connection, hence my original comment.

kitd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Absolute number of downloads inevitably goes up. Weekly downloads number doesn't.

gopalv an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Weekly downloads number doesn't.

The ChatGPT app downloads a copy of LibreOffice when you ask it to make pptx files.

So I've downloaded LibreOffice 3 times this week without really paying attention to it.

jandrese an hour ago | parent [-]

Ironic since the headline implies that people are downloading it specifically to avoid AI features being shoved into our document editors.

jolmg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Their point is that weekly downloads may have been on a constant rise for years due to a constant rise in popularity. It's not as constant as absolute number of downloads, but the point is that "breaking record" is still something that's likely happening frequently and doesn't need to be related to any statement they gave. They don't share any numbers, at least in the post.

NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> In one week, the installer was downloaded more than 1 million times — not counting updates via Linux distribution repositories.

Either there's 1m people downloading new software "because no ai", or there's another popular thing that installs this, and is not counted in the "updates via linux repos". One is much much more probable than the other.

andai 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> or there's another popular thing that installs this

Yeah, an AI tool:

The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49527396

tcfhgj an hour ago | parent [-]

and the bundled copies will contribute to installer download statistics?

leptons 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You underestimate the public's hatred of AI-in-everything. HN is a bubble of AI.

john_strinlai an hour ago | parent [-]

>HN is a bubble of AI.

ai has to be one of the most decisive topics on HN. every submission that makes the front page, no matter what the topic is, is guaranteed to have:

- one person accusing the author of using ai, or complaining about ai prose, and a statement along the lines of "stopped reading at..."

- one person saying how ai would make development faster/better/easier, or make the product/thing more successful

if hn is in a bubble of ai, it's two distinct bubbles that fight on every single topic, which isn't really a bubble at that point, is it?

in this thread we run the full range. people wanting ai features, people saying ai is inevitable so libreoffice should embrace it now, people saying they hate ai and how customer's hate ai, etc.

loeg an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Global population is still rising. In general you should expect numbers to go up.

dspillett an hour ago | parent [-]

Unless they're is a negative force, such as people being put off by the lack of AI features. While a lack of such a response might not justify the headline used here, I think it is certainly worth noting.

tzs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Calling each new high "record-breaking" is a bit meaningless

It is the first to break a million in a week. Even if it has been steadily going up most people would consider passing that number interesting.

rf15 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Congratulation to your new unix timestamp record! (and yes, you too, nth reader!)

rgoulter 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can tell you wrote this comment when you were younger.

worldsavior 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

First!

yorwba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, here's the graph of weekly downloads: https://stats.documentfoundation.org/downloads#week,version The 26.8 peak is within the normal range of week-to-week variation.

Rebelgecko 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't it also a dep of some AI tools? Or maybe they use their own binary

manvillej 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel this every time the stock market hits a new “all time high”

fsckboy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

the stock market goes up and down daily, but with a functioning economy it will overall be up. from a distance you are right, something that keeps going up keeps achieving new highs.

but, if you follow the market on a daily basis, you will be paying attention to the market swooning for periods of time, maybe with a small recovery and then another swoon. New "all time highs" do provide convenient notifications that the economy has now grown from before. Without new highs, your investments are treading water.

neutronicus 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Hell, it took like 5 years for the market to get back to its peak after 2008.

xdavidliu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

clickbait gonna clickbait. But you cannot blame it because in today's attention economy it really HAS to since everything else is too

Kapura 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

is the trend of increasing weekly downloads not itself meaningful?

blackenedgem 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

See also, every new iPhone/Pixel being the best they've ever release. You'd hope so!

podgietaru 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What? A Unix timestamp literally cannot ever be lower. Its a completely assinine comparison isn't it?

This is comparative.

phoghed 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

False, in January 2038 at least some systems will go back in time

bluGill 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm planning to make a killing when somebody unretires me to fix all the issues.. Or maybe not, I hope my retirement accounts are so large I can laugh at their "piddly $500/hr offer".

QuantumNomad_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The hourly pay will be $1200, no less. Thanks to inflation this amount will cover just about the cost of two second-hand teabags and a mouldy lump of bread.

soperj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

just make sure you get paid in cash before it rolls over.

bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Banks are known for running mainframes which handle dates differently and will not be rolling over. The ones that use unix are likely to 64 bit systems that won't roll over.

ape4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

thats_the_joke.jpg

tjoff 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just wait til 2038 ;)