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WalterBright 4 hours ago

As for Jobs, I bought a Mac Mini last summer. I wanted to use iMovie to clip the edges off of a movie file. I clipped the edges, but was unable to discover how to save the resulting file, and gave up. Microsoft's Movie Maker has a menu item to save a file.

I use the Mini every day, but only via a tty window.

MBCook 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Jobs has been dead for a long time.

And it shows.

He had bad ideas too but was much better at holding the line on good UI (unless the bad idea was his). We haven’t had that in a long time.

TrainedMonkey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple used to have principled UX before designers got to innovation. There might be an argument that new UIs are better for people with no prior experience... if they did not completely change them once a decade or so.

bluegatty 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes - this is a mind boggling design conceit of Apple that goes back almost 50 years.

They made certain design decisions a long time ago around a lot of things and that's one of them.

They 'conscientiously' designed the UX - which is great - it generally makes it better, but the problem is, when you make a mistake, the mistake is more ingrained.

We all know of 'Arrogant Engineers' thinking their 'Algorithm is more important than anything' - that 'save' thing is a design conceit, heavily instituted into the culture. The designers would look at you like an infidel for suggesting you know something they don't back in the day. Or even today.

I'm basically certain that Jobs himself will have defended that feature 1000 times over the years.

It's probably kept up like a religious ritual, a point of 'differentiation' and 'we're better here'.

Which is very different than a lack of operational rigour, it's where part of the system is overbearing.

"It's just the way we do it here" will be the justification for the next 100 years on that. And changing things that are ingrained is also very heard and risky. It's like changing the constitution, it's pulling a thread on the sweater.

There are quite a lot of weird 'Apple Way' things, most good, many bad.

dbtc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've used QuickTime for that, which has the expected menu items.

gizajob 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

yeah it's like one shortcut and a trim bar in QuickTime so that's the right tool for the job. iMovie isn't much harder but is a palaver with its whole pre-rendering thing just to export what should be a trivial edit.

basisword 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Photos app (on Mac/iOS) has the same trim interface as QT too.

basisword 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's a menu item. I believe it's File > Share > then you choose how (save to disk, email, export to photos app etc).

File > Save doesn't make sense because you would be saving your iMovie project. You're trying to export the final video from the project, not save it.

The problem was using a far too complex tool to do a simple job (and not understanding how the tool works). You can trim a video in Quicktime or Photos which directly manipulates the file.

Sharlin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's no File > Export?!

basisword 3 hours ago | parent [-]

File > Share is the same, just more user friendly language. I get it's a bit confusing if you've been using computers for a long time (it's certainly caught me out), but 'Share' makes much more sense. Especially because export/save to disk is only one of the multiple 'Share' options available.

BlobberSnobber 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yes! It makes total sense to share with myself a Pages document as PDF! I‘ll promptly think of sharing if all I want to do is save/export a file in a different format. I think we can extend that helpful language to the entire OS! No need for a “copy” or “download” button, it’s all sharing, one way or another! Share share share!

airstrike 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Share" really means send to someone else

"Export" means "save this working file in one of many formats, including possibly other formats that are first-class in third-party apps but not this app"

robotpepi 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> just more user friendly language

you try to justify it in a logical way, but you fail to realize that this is inherently subjective

Sharlin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Share doesn't really make any sense. And other macOS applications have an Export menu all right.

tyffanypastecf an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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