| ▲ | KaiserPro 2 hours ago |
| As its the EU and regulation, its time to trott out your hobby horse. So let me trot out mine: regulation is good so long as it is backed up by even handed, robust, transparent, quick and effective sanctions. the Online safety act is a good example of a bad law, which is enforced badly. The first big test (X producing industrial quantities of minors engaging in sexual activity) was failed. Had a small company produced a service that did they same thing, they would have been fined, servers ceased and owners thrown in jail. X got a letter saying they should stop. An example of good enforcement is the UK's scores on the doors, where the public can see what the standard is, and if they fall below a certain level, the food place is fined/shutdown/other until it improves. Another good example is NCAP ratings. |
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| ▲ | s_dev 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| A lot of scores on the doors are often faked defeating their purpose. Helpful but not bullet proof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SO8KcfhJmc Old school methods like what McDonald's use, literally allow the customer to see in to the kitchen are very effective. Not always ideal for every type establishment but I've seen high end Indian restaurants even do it by having the POS at the back where you can see the kitchen when paying which keeps the noise separate for the desired quiet atmosphere of a fine dining restaurant I'm not sure how to translate this to the smartphone market though. Fairphone and LaJolla seem to do well in this regard though so back to brand reputation for a lot of this. |
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| ▲ | KaiserPro 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | SOrry, yes I should point out its not perfect. The scores on the doors website is also a partial remedy for this. But I should concede that no solution is perfect, and you still need to allow for the evolution of fraudsters. > I'm not sure how to translate this to the smartphone market though Me neither, The pre-existing ways are independent lab testing ( euro-ncap for cars, or ifixit) or the "you have to pay for testing" like for large white goods. None of those work if they are not enforced though.... |
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| ▲ | philipallstar 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > An example of good enforcement is the UK's scores on the doors, where the public can see what the standard is, and if they fall below a certain level, the food place is fined/shutdown/other until it improves. > Another good example is NCAP ratings. Worth noting that NCAP and Scores on the Doors are not regulators. NCAP is an industry body; SotDs is run by TripAdvisor. |
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| ▲ | pbasista an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > X got a letter saying they should stop. I am unfamiliar with these matters and I am also unsure what specifically you are referring to. But in general, if big companies get away with wrongdoings by receiving a gentle slap on their fingers, figuratively speaking, it will, in my opinion, lead to no change whatsoever. Because if there are no material consequences for wrongdoings, they probably would not care. And there are very few kinds of actually material consequences for big companies. One of them being a really hefty fine. |
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| ▲ | noir_lord 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sadly that mess had a political component, any attempt to regulate US big tech results in howls from over the Atlantic. Frankly, I'd prefer it if we just let them howl and said fuck it more but it's probably a good job I'm not making those decisions (and in honesty the picture is complex for companies that size/the politics). |
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| ▲ | WarmWash an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Ironically the fact that the howls need to come from the other side of the Atlantic, rather than having any domestically, should tell anyone all they need to know about the situation. | | |
| ▲ | noir_lord 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Don't disagree but the results are impossible to know from the US side, politicians have to balance everything and decide whether it's worth the political capital. Not like it's the only issue in US/UK relations these days either. That's the situation whether we like it or not. | |
| ▲ | oblio 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Ironically the fact that the howls need to come from the other side of the Atlantic, rather than having any domestically, should tell anyone all they need to know about the situation. Europeans by and large don't care about American companies these days. They use American software products because frequently there are no alternatives. And most of the news about them are negative. |
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| ▲ | kvuj an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | From the article, it seems more about chinese brands, no? > Some records even refer customers to Temu or AliExpress for spare parts and repair instructions. > But even for products that are technically compliant, the listed weblink still rarely offers a direct path to parts prices. For major brands such as Apple and Samsung, it can take some clicking around before you find what you need, Right to Repair says. |
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| ▲ | nekusar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | jdiff an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Minors were involved. People were responding to pictures of minors and prompting Grok to sexualize them. People were uploading their own photos of real minors and asking Grok to make modifications to them. | |
| ▲ | KaiserPro 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I understand your view point and are somewhat sympathetic. However for point one, the samples I saw were a picture of a minor posted by a minor in a normal situation. Someone would say @grok show me her in a bikini. for point 2, this is not born out by the examples that I saw. The bigger point here is that under UK law, there is little distinction between "real" and "fake". Any depiction of a minor engaged in sexual activities is illegal. This was to get round the "oh its photoshoped" defence. In the USA is different, but I have no experience on that point. The only reason why I know is because a member of staff at a previous company was found to be using his workstation to store and distribute anime shit that depicted this stuff, and the company legal advice was "oh wow you are totally fucked." It was a huge faff to deal with and posed huge risks to everyone involved. | |
| ▲ | flir an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And both are illegal. (Depending on your local jurisdiction. But GP said "Online Safety Act" so I'm making an assumption). | |
| ▲ | hgoel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Social media is already full of hentai art of that sort and that isn't a problem to most countries, so a little thought leads to the obvious point that your basic assumptions are incorrect. Minors were involved and people were generating sexually charged images ("donut glaze" etc). This is why other countries, like South Korea, also went after X under deepfake related regulations. | |
| ▲ | edelbitter an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess when discussing the reasons for the law failing to bring about the intended changes, we only need to agree on that the law did not intend to make this distinction (though it definitely could have made them, even before LLM this was a deliberate choice) - not whether doing so would have been advisable. | |
| ▲ | throwawayqqq11 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You dont want to allow a market, which is why in many countries even imaginary CSAM is illegal. |
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| ▲ | delusional 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yes, Twitter frontpage should include a little counter with how much child exploitation it has facilitated today. I don't think there's a single politician in Bruxelles that wouldn't love to come down hard on X. There is no love for Elon in those circles anymore. The problem is that he's attached himself to international politics through his daddy. Trump has threatened the EU with strict sanctions if they levy any sort of proportional fine to US tech companies. The problem is no longer capitalist liberalism. The new challenge is American Fascism. |