Um. You mean the same site that uses its captcha page to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with, and was banned from use on Wikipedia because the owner was modifying the archived pages?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G...

I don't think we should be supporting this random guy, no.

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progval 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with

to DDOS one website, which is doxxing the owner. Not that it makes it good idea, but it's a little more understandable.

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bulder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

DDoSing a website, modifying their archives surreptitiously to serve their own wants (which was what tipped Wikipedia towards banning their use), running weird sockpuppet campaigns to build dependence on them, and fucking with Cloudflare's DNS resolution to prevent anti-tracking measures from working.

Oh and even if I wanted to ignore all of this, I couldn't use them anyways because they blackholed the majority of Finnish IP ranges after the DDoS incident to I guess punish the entire country for the targeted blogger being born here.

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dakolli an hour ago | parent [-]

archive.today has been targeted by Western institutions, like the FBI, for over a year now. Which signals to me they are the good guys.

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SXX 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Come on. It's not WikiLeaks. If they were targeted by FBI it would be down.

	▲	dakolli 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		What do you mean, I didnt make it up... Its detailed on the archive.today wikipedia page. The media barrons in the west have bribed the US government to pursue archive criminally on their behalf for helping people bypass paywalls. https://www.theverge.com/news/815691/fbi-subpoena-archive-is...

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radicalcentrist an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not well-informed about this situation, but DDOSing does strike me as an action which is fundamentally counter to information freedom and archival, so that seems like a reasonable suspicion to me.

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Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And archive.org removes perfectly legal content from their accessible archives. Nobody's perfect. The guy running archive.today has done a shit ton of good.

	▲	hnfong an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It's crazy how little it takes to bribe people into astroturfing for you by offering free stuff that costs pennies.

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forestingfisher 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If it works, it works. Also the Internet Archive also excludes many sites for ideological reasons which is the opposite of preservation

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Hamuko 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not sure how well it’s “working” considering any of the archived pages might be altered by the site’s administrator to further their causes. There’s a reason why Wikipedia stopped trusting them.

	▲	forestingfisher an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I agree, it makes sense for large source-reliant projects like Wikipedia to stop using them. However, for the end-user, it's often the service that works best.

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an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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andai 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well then another guy should provide a technically equivalent and morally superior service ;)

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markasoftware 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, lots of other archive.* sites exist and do the same thing minus problematic behavior, such as archive.is, archive.oh (though maybe some are operated by the same individual...)

	▲	plorg 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Are any of those not run by the archive.today guy? That site has like a dozen aliases.
	▲	Cider9986 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Wikipedia links these as the mirrors. archive.today archive.fo archive.is archive.li archive.md archive.ph archive.vn archiveiya74codqgiixo33q62qlrqtkgmcitqx5u2oeqnmn5bpcbiyd.onion
	▲	topato 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Haha all of those are .today aliases. Not sure the hate over him ddosing the guy doxxing him. .today’s paywall circumvention is also why miscellaneous groups have tried to report him to the FBI over planted CSAM material, among other horrible harassment. I think we should all give him a second chance for the huge amount of time, both before and after the stupid and short lived ddos incident, that he has dedicated to archiving. His identity must be secretive, as he has already drawn the ire of many powers that be, so… I personally think the ddos incident was justified… and I’m glad my bandwidth helped in any way, frankly. Some people seem to really want to portray him as some shady evil bad guy, and after all the hit jobs against him in the past year or two, I really wonder who these anti-archive.today people actually are and what they’re motivations are (besides money).