| ▲ | Escapado 4 hours ago |
| On a personal level I have become more anxious and it has become more difficult to deal with my tendency to procrastinate the more screen time I have and the more I am exposed to social media. I have in essence deleted the vast majority of my social media accounts years ago, but stayed a passive and rather anonymous consumer on Reddit, X and YouTube. A few weeks ago I blocked them too. I would say in totality I read more than I read growing up, but it was usually in the form of short content. Same goes for watching things. Unlimited access to short form content of any form has made my monkey brain feel a resistance to longer form content and that annoys and scares me. It’s like having free hyper palatable but unhealthy food in front of you at all times while you know that there are fresh ingredients for a proper healthy meal in the fridge. And as absurd as it sounds as a 30 something year old, I am now actively working on getting into the habit of reading books again and watching movies in one go to work on that specific problem. And talking ti my friends and family it looks like many of them struggle with similar problems. I am less worried about the classics or the depth of wisdom that I miss. I am worried about the addiction that is dangled in front of my face and normalised completely now.
As for society, I think this is an uphill battle that I don’t see a real and lasting solution for it - and by “it” I mean us fellow humans in aggregate escaping this vortex of what I feel is ultimately self-harming behaviour. I hope for better regulation. I hope for better education. I hope for people realizing how harming it all is and turning around but my sense is that the shape of the world right now will make that so difficult in practice that it won’t happen. |
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| ▲ | TexanFeller 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| One of my problems with blocking things like YouTube is that there’s so much outstanding long form content that’s not always available elsewhere. I love watching semi popularized physics lectures like from Sean Carroll but I can’t help but click on the mindless content next to it after, or even during, my wholesome viewing. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I have in essence deleted the vast majority of my social media accounts years ago, but stayed a passive and rather anonymous consumer on Reddit, X and YouTube Most of the people I’ve known who struggled with doomscrolling had established a similar set of social media sites at their worst point. I think we’ve seen so many articles about how social media is bad that reference mainstream sites like Facebook and Instagram that it feels safer to retreat to sites like Reddit Yet the most doomer, anxious, and cynical people I’ve known who got stuck in social media doom spirals were getting it primarily from Reddit, often with a helping of YouTube, X, or Twitch streamers on the side. They would be convinced that they were “off of social media” because they didn’t consider those sites among the bad ones, but they’d open their phones or laptops and feed streams of doom straight into their brains for hours every day. Cutting the cord on those sites was a good move if you realized you were having problems with social media. They’re not typically grouped into “social media” by people who create narrow definitions of what that means (profile picture, real names, etc) but those distinctions mean nothing for doom scrolling. When it comes to the doom part of doom scrolling, Reddit especially can be even worse than traditional social media. The content popular on that site is almost designed to fill you with dread and doom and depression. |
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| ▲ | Seattle3503 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm a frequent Reddit user. Recently they have been bringing some of the more poisonous elements of social media over to their platform. Pushing a "for you" feed, and prioritizing a "Best" sorting algorithm over "new" or "hot". | |
| ▲ | dd8601fn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have a predisposition for that, and Reddit is indeed poison for some of us. I blocked it with pihole, along with most other social media sites, years ago. Just the friction of a dns record (that yes, I can easily override) was enough to keep myself away from all of it. And when I need the rare bit of practical information from one of them, I can hit the 5m override from a widget on the phone. It’s ultimately self control, but that’s easy for me when there’s just a tiny bit of hassle in the loop. | | |
| ▲ | mrweasel an hour ago | parent [-] | | PiHole was my solution as well, and then Reddit decided to help. The "new" Reddit interface is still horrible and unusable, so old.reddit.com was always my go to. I don't have or want a Reddit account, I just wanted to follow a few sub-reddits. Now old.reddit.com is blocked for users without an account and they appear to be rolling out something similar to the site in general. You can see a few posts, and the a pop-up appears and requires you to sign in. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I used to enjoy Imgur and Reddit, but both "communities" have become increasingly hostile and less inclusive. So now I avoid both and I mentally feel much more positive about people in general. |
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| ▲ | weird-eye-issue 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | X is honestly among the worst of the worst. People give purposefully bad takes just for the engagement and it's overall super toxic Reddit is awful too, completely accurate things can get downvoted to oblivion because of the hive mind YouTube is still overall decent but mostly brainrot I habitually watch/listen to in the background to such a high degree it's hard to even imagine completely cutting it out of my life | | |
| ▲ | esskay 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm mostly passive on reddit these days but really struggle to leave it as I do enjoy seeing things like cool projects people are making on /r/selfhosting and such. Every time I think of leaving it I just think well I cant because where will i find out about cool new projects now. | | |
| ▲ | dd8601fn 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I know it’s not the same but I watch stuff like hackaday and others with an rss reader, now. Old school approach. It helps jail the types of content I passively consume. I blocked reddit and most other social media with the pihole I was using anyway. After having been away from Reddit for a couple years now, I think it was a good trade. But obviously that’s a very personal thing. |
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| ▲ | tmikaeld 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’m on X for tech interest, new hardware, robotics, coding. If X didn’t allow blocking words/phrases, I could not use it! And yes, my blocklist is huge.. | |
| ▲ | wartywhoa23 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | X also actively mocks you. I'm strongly anti-AI, and it would fill my whole feed with AI evangelist crap and viral AI PR ragebait. But it's good, it made me quit the motherfucker. Still hanging on to HN, its weaker doppelganger, though :) | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | KoftaBob 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > downvoted to oblivion because of the hive mind Not just the hivemind, Reddit has been thoroughly astroturfed for a long time now. The vast majority of large subreddits have at least 1-2 mods who stifle/amplify discourse in the service of companies, think tanks, and certain Levantine pariah nations. | |
| ▲ | techpression 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | LinkedIn is up there too, the reality distortion and appearance of everyone being a self made trillionaire can make the strongest of minds feel like they’re utter failures. It’s of course not true and 90% seem to be pure bullshit, but who has time to investigate ever thought leader post they get shoved in their face |
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| ▲ | Lagoon3384_SWE 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | chistev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One problem for me about leaving social media is that it limits my chances of getting updates about jobs, and if I start a business, social media is a good way of promoting the business. I wish I was in a financial position where I didn't have to bother about this. I've been limiting my use of social media (aside Reddit and HN) for almost two weeks now and I've been reading books and doing other things with my time rather than consuming content that isn't beneficial to me. Check out the Wikipedia article - The Shallows """ The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains. The book claims research shows "online reading" yields lower comprehension than reading a printed page. The Shallows was a finalist for the 2011 Pulitzer Prize in General Nonfiction. """ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shallows_(book) |
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| ▲ | javier2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, I have stopped basically all consumption except from youtube, which itself also has a tendency to expand to fill all available time. I dont use shorts that much, but there is just much good content being released as well. |
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| ▲ | somenameforme 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There was a time, not that long ago, when cocaine was 100% normalized. It was a regular ingredient used in everything from basic OTC remedies to, most famously Coca Cola which was Cocaine + Kola nut. And Coca Cola itself was based on Vin Mariani, a wine mixed with cocaine that was drunk or endorsed by everybody from Popes to Thomas Edison and Ulysses S Grant. It was also regularly offered for free to laborers by employers because it was seen to observe productivity, and all other sorts of stuff. So we were pretty much a nation of coke heads. It's probably much more difficult to see the harm in things when its so normalized. But of course people did and so the tide gradually shifted against it. We're already seeing the exact same process play out with social media and, more generally, digital addictions. But it's a relatively unprecedented technology in that it's essentially a digital drug that can't be especially well defined. But I expect these things are well on there way out. The age restrictions will likely come with broader prohibitions if they are positive outcomes from such, and we're already seeing exactly that in places like Australia. Government and intelligence agencies desire to use it for mind control or whatever will probably quickly fade once they realize the same concept (which I think is quite frankly absurd - hence my sardonic term) could just as well be used against them, were it possible. |
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| ▲ | teiferer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > most famously Coca Cola which was Cocaine + Kola nut. That's a common misleading myth. Early coca cola was coca leaves and kola nut. Yes, the former contained cocaine alkaloids. But it's different from saying you take a soda and mix it with cocaine. The dosage wasn't comparable to a snorted line today. | |
| ▲ | pjc50 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can actually see this phenomenon happening now with alcohol consumption, which is in a long decline .. replaced by social media addiction. | | | |
| ▲ | DystopiaNow 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | pj_mukh 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of the most insidious realities of the introduction of AI is that we've taken our eye off of tech's original sin - the algorithmic feed forensically designed to hijack the brain. I don't see how it's any different than opium and why the regulations should be any different. Even the problem of "AI slop" is mostly that it invades the algorithms, weaponizing them even more. I'm not a huge fan of heavy-handed regulation, but some clinical regulation like making "Explore" tabs or feeds irrelevant to your social networks, opt-in by default would have such a Pareto improvement to all our brains. Instead we are getting endless whinging over water usage in data centers ironically flooding our algorithmic feeds. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I don't see how it's any different than opium During the marijuana prohibition days the resounding chorus in the discourse was that marijuana was not physically addictive like other drugs, and therefore we must treat it differently. There were problems with that argument if you got into the details, but it did establish the idea that not all drugs are equally harmful and therefore treating them all equally was not logical. It’s funny now to see these equivalencies where we’re supposed to believe that social media is no different than extremely powerful drugs that have severe withdrawal syndromes and wreak havoc on their user’s bodies. The equivalence is obviously false to anyone who has been in the sad position of knowing an opioid addict. It’s possible to make arguments about social media that don’t depend on obviously false equivalence to powerful drugs. | | |
| ▲ | customguy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A long time ago on the forum I hang out with, I said something like "this is amazing, this is like heroin!" about whatever (not even a substance, probably something silly like a song or a video game). A guy who I knew as nothing but laid back and gracious scolded me in a way I remember to this day... not the exact words, but part of it was that he knew a couple who just handed off their new born baby for adoption to get their next shot. And I could tell there was a lot unsaid, too. Sorry for the tangent, but I guess, fuck heroin etc., and all the power to anyone struggling with it, things like it, or has loved ones or friends that do. | |
| ▲ | pj_mukh 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm comparing to Opium not for exact chemical effect equivalence but for the level of Government urgency required. There's been a fair bit of work down now to identify clear physiological withdrawal symptoms too[1]. The main damage though is on cognitive strengths (far more pronounced than Marijuana). [1]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10339588/ |
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| ▲ | FoundAnotherOne 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I quit all social media! > No for real! Even YouTube! And yet here you are |
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| ▲ | Insanity 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Might be nit-picking but forum != social media (to me). | | |
| ▲ | specproc an hour ago | parent [-] | | Aye, but it's also possible to waste an incredible amount of time on HN. I'd call it my main internet vice after lichess. Both are outwardly better than say, TikTok or Reddit, but if you're spending hours a day flitting unstructured between content, you're subject to both the fragmentation and time sink problems. Same as someone who spends the same amount of time caning TikTok. A little healthier (maybe not lichess) and less intense, but I'd argue also damaging. | | |
| ▲ | Insanity 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It’s my most used website according to Apple Screentime. So you’re probably right (daily average around 30 min). |
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| ▲ | Escapado 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I did not claim I quit it all, just the majority and said I was struggling with this topic. Not sure if you are trying to help or are just mean. |
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