| ▲ | ValdikSS 8 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
GrapheneOS is like a veteran and war zone expert: for them, not only the external environment is considered extremely hostile that you should leave your house only wearing an armor and with bodyguards, but also the internal environment is hostile: your bodyguards could be bribed and work against you, that's why you need to somehow be protected against that as well. Just as physical security, digital security most of the time not as radical, and tradeoffs are usually accepted, especially when they are "invisible": hardware and software security features are usually not mentioned in the specs and the regular and even power user just don't know most of them and what do they do. When GrapheneOS says "private" and "secure", they mean top-of-the-line security features, updates as soon as possible, all available mitigations against zero-days and insecure code which will limit the impact before the patch, etc. Security as in a killdozer. When other say "private" and "secure", most of the time it means: "we've followed all the recommendations applicable to our development budget, device price point, and support life time". Graphene does not like that definition of these words. For smartphone, chip manufacturer goal is not to protect the user at all costs, but to provide reasonable security features for the price. BUT the goal of chip manufacturer to protect the device at all costs is for… game consoles! That's why Xbox, PlayStation, Switch all run on a custom silicon and not an ordinary chips! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | SahAssar 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> That's why Xbox, PlayStation, Switch all run on a custom silicon and not an ordinary chips! Not really. Xbox and PlayStation both run on pretty standard AMD Zen 2 chips. Somewhat customized, but standard enough that people by binned playstation 5 motherboards to use as computers with normal OS'es (lookup BC-250). The last gen with more customized chips was the PS3/Xbox360 era, when both went with a variant of PowerPC, same as Gamecube/Wii/WiiU. Switch runs on basically the same Nvidia Tegra CPU/GPU as multiple android tablets. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Cider9986 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>GrapheneOS is like a veteran and war zone expert: for them, not only the external environment is considered extremely hostile that you should leave your house only wearing an armor and with bodyguards, but also the internal environment is hostile: your bodyguards could be bribed and work against you, that's why you need to somehow be protected against that as well. Yeah, iPhoens are made that way as well. It's just caring about the privacy of your users. > When GrapheneOS says "private" and "secure", they mean top-of-the-line security features, updates as soon as possible, all available mitigations against zero-days and insecure code which will limit the impact before the patch, etc. Security as in a killdozer. I think it's deceptive because people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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