$10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens

sol is $4 / $20

jimmaswell 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems to use less than half the tokens for the same task compared to sol, and in some benchmarks closer to 2/3 less tokens. So the actual cost may be roughly the same or cheaper overall.

	▲	selectodude 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		neuralese is pretty token efficient i guess.

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monroewalker 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same price as Fable?

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wahnfrieden 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

2.5x more expensive than Sol.

Can expect 2.5x more usage in Codex subscription.

Sol is already brutal (even after their recent fixes, it's just a token-hungry model: I go through a full 20x account per day, on Sol Med/High standard speed, with ~2 threads). I hope the efficiency gains are true, since their token efficiency claims for Sol were bullshit.

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AaronAPU 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is it I juggle 4-8 Codex Sol-5.6 Max agents every day and have never once run out, but you run out in one day? What are you actually doing?

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janilowski 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do you manage to run out of tokens so quickly? I probably run more threads every working day, usually on medium, and I'm still below the 5x limits.

Do you use the official harness? OpenAI's models are generally best in class for token efficiency. It seems to me like they push for that much more than their competitors.

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adam_arthur 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I've long speculated this when I see these types of comments, because it's actually really difficult to hit usage caps with an efficient dev flow, even when running multiple threads for hours every day.

I think some combination of:

1) Using 1 thread for everything

2) Reviving old threads which are no longer in cache

3) Really broad prompts on badly vibecoded codebases, so model spends huge amount of time tracking down whatever you're trying to do.

4) Non-coding workflow which is more output than input heavy

5) (Less likely IMO) Intelligent use of many passive CI/cron-like scans. E.g. regular security, quality etc scans. Automated issue resolution/PR

Just a guess. I think 3 is likely the primary reason.

You can literally go all day every day with multiple threads with Sol on the Codex 100/month plan IME

	▲	janilowski 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's my experience too. I've found OpenAI really quite generous with tokens. I sometimes wonder how some people manage to run out of them really. Do they just type prompts that much faster than me or use the highest reasoning mode for everything just because they can? Idk. I generally agree with those reasons, although using a single thread may be less of an issue than it seems because of context compacting which should happen automatically when you're near the limit.

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janalsncm 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you are telling the truth you might want to check your network for any weird connections to Chinese LLM transit stations.

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ModernMech 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How?? I'm using sol Extra High 24/7 and it eats up about 1% per hour reliably, so it lasts about 4 days for me.

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maipen 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These folks are probably using crazy plugins or crazy sub agent spams. They probably just run everything on max + fast mode which is ridiculous.

	▲	ModernMech 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The guy said medium/high regular speed so that's why I'm very puzzled! Ultra + Fast will absolutely slurp up your whole usage quickly but I've never found it gives substantially better results so I stick to extra high.

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rowanG077 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sub-agents. I have 7 20x accounts and I burn them within 1-2 days if I go fully parallel. In some scenarios I use 50 sub-agents for a session which is literally hours of usage for a single 20x account. I'm at the point where I need to parallelize over multiple machines because I just don't have enough CPU and RAM.

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ModernMech 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What are you doing with them you need so many? It sounds like a Gas Town situation, that you invented an exponential token burning machine.

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rowanG077 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Decompilation of a game and another larger decompile project. I'm working on it solo. I use 50 sub-agent, one per target function or translation unit. Often there is some progress in a unit but it's not done. So it requires a lot of cycles per function. Notably a single ~80kb function took about a week of constant sol-ultra attention before reaching exactness. The game I'm targeting has ~5000 total functions. The other decompile project has ~10k+ functions.

I'm sure I could be more token efficient, but this was/is also a learning process for me since I never did such an extremely large project before that would take multiple man years before AI.

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ModernMech 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Fascinating! I think that’s the main difference is my usage is probably tool-bound, meaning it writes some code but then there’s a long period of verification where it compiles things and then waits for the compilation and CI to complete before it can continue. That probably doesn’t consume as many tokens as constantly churning on a problem despite the same wall time.

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rowanG077 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, this is why I mentioned having so many parallel agents and being compute bound. I run on my own laptop and 2 high-end desktop machines all with 64gb RAM. And it still occasionally happens that one OOM kills codex. They also mostly run unattended until I need to switch their accounts because a usage limit has been hit. Each instance usually can keep going when I sleep or do other things.

I only save the last 30% of usage on a single account for most of my other work, and that is almost always enough.

	▲	agentdev001 20 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Sounds like you might benefit from running a custom harness then, no? I can't imagine for a task such as that- that codex is the best option.

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munimdev 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

what are you doing with that many agents/tokens? very curious

	▲	rowanG077 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		See my other comment on your sibling that asked the same.