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awesan 7 hours ago

If it happens all the time and it's positive, you shouldn't need a news story to confirm it. People should just be able to think of examples.

Certainly I'm able to think of plenty of terrible results from private equity take-overs from my own personal experience as an employee or as a customer.

jcranmer 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Private equity gets a bad rap in large part because the stories they're most famous for are the "PE buys a failing company, and the company subsequently finally fails," with the "failing" word conspicuously absent in most retellings. I'm not sure I've heard one of those stories where the company failed after being acquired by PE where it wasn't already failing before the PE takeover...

abuani 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For me, private equity gets a bad rep because they've bought up all of the local mom and pop shops for just about any service I need thats face to face. All of the plumbers, electricians, general contractors, vets, grocery chains, coffee shops, and other shit were bought and had every ounce of revenue squeezed out of them. The result? All of the things I need locally cost 3-5x they did and the service is far worse.

And as a quick edit: none of these examples I have were of failing businesses. Each of the owners had their reasons, but none was due to it being necessary for survival. PE on hackernews tends to focus on software/bigger purchases, but so much of the damage in my opinion is on the local and smaller scale.

joleyj 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Concur. Private equity is synonymous with the concept of maximum extraction in my experience.

miki123211 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What PE loves to do (and where I think a lot of the vibe comes from) is buying companies from owners who care about the craft and turning them into companies that care about nothing but money.

Let's say you make an app for first responders. Being a former first responder, you know exactly what your users need and what the workflows should be like. Your app becomes a brand name in the community. You charge enough to survive (if that), because your app is a labour of love more than anything else.

Eventually, family and other responsibilities get in the way, and you just no longer have the time or motivation to maintain the app any more. You sell to "we so swear we are not private equity" Applause.

As soon as you do that, the app gets taken over by financiers and developers who are experts at "revenue optimization", with little domain knowledge about what first responders need. They calculate (probably correctly) that they can milk their customers for a lot more if they move to a subscription plan, gate some features behind expensive premium packages, stuff the app full of upsell pop-ups and fill it with analytics SDKs that tell them which features are worth spending development time on, and which can safely be removed.

FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ooh, who could this be... so many contenders... Aladtect, PSTrax, Lexipol...

philipallstar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, many things may be going wrong before PE gets involved, or the owners may be retiring and it just will never be the same again even if PE didn't buy. So it's more likely to feel like bad news even if it was still a reasonable outcome.

As a public, well-known example, Dell being taken private in 2013 seemed to work out.

inanutshellus 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd guess the majority of those success stories are invisible to the end user.

e.g. simply keeping the company afloat via PE cash.

If I recall correctly, this is what happened to Hilton Hotels. They were collapsing during the housing crisis.

A slightly different scenario but Hertz is a PE success story. It was owned by Ford and bought by a private equity firm. Now it's a standalone company making mint.

vintermann 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Were those roll-ups though? I see a poster below says the private equity fund was only involved for the last acquisition, but no one can deny Muse Group/Ultimate Guitar went on a shopping spree. They looked like they were trying to gain control over a whole segment and start squeezing (well, except for that open source projects aren't that easy to squeeze). No wonder people freaked out over the telemetry, it was reasonable to fear the worst. But everything went better than expected.

inanutshellus 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Valid point! I believe they weren't.

bryanrasmussen 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>If it happens all the time and it's positive, you shouldn't need a news story to confirm it. People should just be able to think of examples.

Most enshittification I am familiar with is because I read it in the news, therefore if non-shittification does happen it is likely I do not hear about it. I suppose the same holds true for other people.

If you were correct and people just had to hear about it then people wouldn't go around worrying about violent crime, because of always seeing on the news, despite it having fallen to historic lows. Instead people should be just walking around talking about how safe and non-violent the streets are nowadays.