| ▲ | tech234a 6 hours ago |
| Apparently the author got a surprising amount of backlash on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/rickbrew.bsky.social/post/3muiv4phe... |
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| ▲ | pseudosavant 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The backlash is so completely unwarranted. This is a piece of free software where the creator is making it easier to use on free software platforms. If you don't want PDN on Linux because you hate AI no matter what, then don't use it. Don't rage attack the creator so that others can't use PDN. Thanks Rick Brewster! I love PDN. It isn't as capable as Photoshop, but it isn't a rental, and it does 99% of what I need it to do. I've even bought it on the Microsoft Store just to support it. |
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| ▲ | mortenjorck 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It looks like the original post was removed, but there are some screenshots going around (unfortunately X doesn't let you view full-size unless you're logged in): https://x.com/ChrisCroy/status/2094867317163540937 |
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| ▲ | thorum 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There’s nothing surprising or confusing here. Outside of tech communities like HN, I see anti-AI rhetoric everywhere. A very large number of humans see AI as a purely evil and parasitic thing, no matter how it’s used. It’s an especially common view among artists and young people. Whether or not you agree about AI, when you’re communicating to a wider audience, you have to read the room. | | |
| ▲ | raincole 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's BlueSky lol. If your way to 'read the room' is to read BlueSky replies then you're already in a pretty doomed position. | | |
| ▲ | rafram 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, Bluesky is pretty much singlemindedly focused on hating AI at this point. It's odd. Sort of feels like it's becoming a sanctuary (though definitely not a healthy one) for people who just can't deal with the post-2020 world - a lot of yelling about people who don't mask up, who dare to use AI, etc. |
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| ▲ | iamnothere 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I constantly hear this refrain, but almost everyone I know is insufferably pro-AI. I myself am neutral to skeptical, I think it’s overhyped and only semi-useful (to me personally) but not the end of humanity. | |
| ▲ | internet2000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bluesky is not real life. | |
| ▲ | naasking 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | BlueSky in no way represents a very large number of humans. Most laypeople I've spoken to are fairly neutral on AI at this point. |
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| ▲ | Gander5739 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can use a nitter instance: https://x.n0g.xyz/ChrisCroy/status/2094867317163540937 | | |
| ▲ | gnuplustoejam 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Using a domain that resembles a racial slur isn't a good look. | | |
| ▲ | Gander5739 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Forgive my lack of familiarity with racial slurs, but what part of that resembles a racial slur? | |
| ▲ | vipa123 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I must be naive, but how does that resemble? | | |
| ▲ | wccrawford 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm guessing the n0g part. I would never have thought that if someone hadn't said it. I'd have thought of "egg nog" long before a racial slur. | |
| ▲ | kuroguro 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | he probably means the nitter part, not the literal domain. never occurred to me before tho. | | |
| ▲ | z500 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Call me crazy, but for me the next stop after nitter is knitter, not the other thing. | |
| ▲ | Natfan 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | isn't nitter literally just "not twitter"? |
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| ▲ | morkalork 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I want to say there was an image board that would substitute another n-word with nignogs because they thought it was funny but my memory can be hazy |
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| ▲ | nick__m 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't frequently downvote but you deserve one. I cannot see the racial slur, other posters cannot either; you know the story about the boy who cried wolf, you're doing exactly as that boy and therefore you are unhelpful your cause! |
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| ▲ | sixothree 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does every single one of these posters have a cartoon avatar? What's going on here? | | |
| ▲ | nasso_dev 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | what's wrong with cartoon avatars...? im not sure i follow | | |
| ▲ | sixothree 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Where did I say something was wrong with them? I do think it is worth questioning why an entire thread is filled specifically and exclusively with cartoon character avatars. Pick a thread, pretty much any thread on bsky with 20+ replies and I believe you'll have trouble reproducing these results. I have had trouble finding one. Feel free to locate some and point them out to me. Let me know how many threads it took you to find one. I am genuinely curious. | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | My guess is they are hobby artists who think that AI and piracy are the only things preventing them from making it big. There’s more of these out there than you would think. If you look at the quality of their avatars it becomes clear why they aren’t making money as artists. | | |
| ▲ | sixothree 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didn't quite want to say it myself since I've been so negative sometimes lately. But it was something I noticed and picking a random profile to view was pretty stomach turning. But I get there is backlash. Not everyone lives in the bubble HN does. Not even everyone here is accepting of AI. I don't even know where I stand many times. But something feels off about this response. It's certainly looking brigaded. On my home feed was another AI announcement. Few comments. Zero hate. And I definitely expected more there. | | |
| ▲ | Macha 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Paint.NET is (partially) art software. The art community has a negative view of AI. Therefore announcements of AI use in Paint.NET get a negative reaction, more so than something like AI startup #491000 | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I see your point, but I always got the impression that Paint.NET was a barebones image/photo editor for power users. Typically something full featured like Photoshop, Krita, or Illustrator would be more in the art software camp, IMHO. A basic AM/FM radio does receive radio, but you wouldn’t lump it in with a Yaesu or even a Baofeng. I’m just surprised to see so many strong opinions from people who probably don’t even use the software (although they pretend they do). |
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| ▲ | diego_sandoval 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What the hell is going on with those people (or bots?)? | | |
| ▲ | gnuplustoejam 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Bluesky is a biker bar with an askew "safe space" sign awkwardly taped to the door. | | |
| ▲ | Aldipower 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do not blame the bikers, they usually are very friendly people. :-) | | |
| ▲ | pino83 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sure - they even unselfishly share all their noises with as much people as possible. As much as the engine can produce (i.e. better be a rich biker, then you can make your engine share a lot more or it). |
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| ▲ | redsocksfan45 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | sixothree 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I honestly suspect that if he said he was using OpenAI instead, the results would be completely different. Ever since the DOD thing, pretty much every sub, thread, or reference to Claude, has resulted in vitriol. It mostly materializes as one-line comments and harassment. What I noticed in this is that literally every single poster has a cartoon avatar. I assume they farm their karma in threads related to a game, movie, show, etc. | | |
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| ▲ | ChocolateGod 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Those responses are disgusting. I bet you every one of these individuals criticised X for being toxic. | |
| ▲ | surcap526 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
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| ▲ | LetMeLogin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What is wrong with people?! Geez. |
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| ▲ | jeffnv 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | for real, improving free open source software is one of the positives of AI | | | |
| ▲ | jmkni 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People say X is toxic, but Bluesky really is on another level | | |
| ▲ | jeffnv 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This in no way diminishes the toxicity of X | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd say overall bluesky is better but boy howdy is it differently stupid sometimes. | | |
| ▲ | Defletter 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Bluesky is pretty decent and has features that I like over X, but much of its user base are from the Great Xodus (pardon the pun): people who frame their switch to Bluesky as some kind of boycott of X, ie, a bunch of moralists. They didn't leave X because it's a hellscape of trashing and toxicity, no, they left because the politics changed. And so Bluesky is now saturated with people who are very opinionated, very loud about it, and very willing to engage in trashing. | | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, bluesky is absolutely saturated with people who are loud and opinionated and willing to engage in trashing. Entirely different than twitter, in that respect. | | |
| ▲ | Defletter an hour ago | parent [-] | | Nah, Twitter is still absolutely rotten with toxicity. The Great Xodus happened due to the rapid chuddification of Twitter under its new management: it was over politics, not toxicity. As such they brought the toxicity with them like a plague. Bluesky has this nice feature where you can mute lists, so someone made a MAGA list (https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s), and yet I was still seeing MAGA stuff on my feed because all the Twitter refugees were screenshotting Twitter nonsense and laundering it into my feed. Utterly ridiculous. |
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| ▲ | gnuplustoejam 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Exile usually connotes being forced out from a place. The distinction is important because no one asked them to leave. | | |
| ▲ | Defletter 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I originally had "self exiles" but thought the Xile pun was funnier :P | | |
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| ▲ | red_admiral 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To riff of an old political joke: X is for the evil party, bluesky is for the stupid party. |
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| ▲ | gnuplustoejam 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | pfraze 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, mod team reacted accordingly. The site needs automated dogpiling detection and intervention. It's a problem. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Alright everyone, message received. I was not expecting this response, I honestly had no idea before I made the post The source got deleted, what is the backlash even about? People don't like .net software running on Linux? > Like I said, the code is experimental. A proof of concept showing that PDN-on-WINE is possible. It's not finished. I can literally just delete it. It won't be part of the next build. This almost sounds like sarcasm and a reference to the whole "The Bun-rewritten-in-Rust branch is just a prototype and probably means nothing" Tweet that initially made the frontpage when it. But I think it's in earnest, just very similar to how I remember that Tweet I suppose. |
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| ▲ | haunter 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >The source got deleted, what is the backlash even about? It's Bluesky, they hate AI so the mob bullied him to delete the posts https://web.archive.org/web/20260901203707/https://bsky.app/... >Paint .NET-on-WINE has never been possible because of Direct2D, which WINE has really struggled with (for good reasons). >So like ... why not reimplement Direct2D-in-Paint .NET? Remove the dependency on WINE completely. Clean room reverse engineering ... >Thanks to Claude Code, it's now a reality. More story in the link above. >It's buggy and slow, but real progress is being made. >And I have no idea when/if this will be "production ready" or "supported" or even "good enough." Maybe next year, maybe next month, maybe 2035. >Claude made more progress on this in 3 weeks than we've seen in the 12 years since PDN started using Direct2D in 2014. >This isn't to talk down to the WINE folks, btw. Direct2D has a really complicated effects system, and probably only PDN really uses it, so the ROI was very low. >AI doesn't care. And it doesn't get tired. And this is the perfect task for it: it already has the design (D2D's docs and API), and it already has a known-good implementation of it and an app to test against and bang its head against. >So that's what it did: it banged its head against d2d1.dll and paintdotnet.exe for about 3 weeks until it was able to boot up PDN. In WINE. For real. >Here's PDN on .NET 10 win-x64, in WINE 11.14-dev, on Ubuntu, in WSL2, on Windows 11. And yes it works on real Linux too. | | |
| ▲ | ascorbic 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > It's Bluesky, they hate AI There is a very vocal section of the userbase who are vehemently anti-AI. Blocklists help avoid them (using them or being on them). However there is also a really good AI community on there. It's generally a lot less commercially-focused than on Twitter, for better and worse. It helps that atproto itself is really good for agents. They know how to use it, and the data is all open and accessible. Lots of people have been experimenting with agents that "live" on Bluesky, some of which are really interesting. | | |
| ▲ | Karrot_Kream 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I wouldn't say it's a "really good AI community". There's not really much discussion that happens on new papers, techniques, new GPU kernels, topologies, etc etc. There's a few folks whose content I enjoy that generally revolves around philosophizing around how widespread LLM-style intelligence will affect society for both good and bad which is fun to read from time-to-time but not the level of context I desire out of an AI discussion. Unless I'm not following the right people which can totally be the case. I've stopped using the platform regularly because of how present this mob mentality toxicity is on the site. |
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| ▲ | vova_hn2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > the mob bullied him to delete the posts Why not just ignore them? Most of them are probably not Paint.net users anyway. Why listening to some randos most of who wouldn't be using your software anyway. | |
| ▲ | nashashmi 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder if we will ever get AI-optimized language sets, ie code instructions given specifically to AI agents to develop code for a JIT interpreter. This gives the same results each and every time the instruction to AI is given no matter the version of LLM used. | | | |
| ▲ | muglug 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's Bluesky, they hate AI That's not true. The Bluesky team are themselves pretty pro-AI and open about how LLMs are used to build Bluesky and are necessary for moderation. Lots of SWEs on Bluesky (e.g. me) use LLMs a lot and follow other people who do too. On the other hand, artists and writers on there generally hate AI and will gladly take time out of their day to loudly gang up on anyone they see as betraying them. | | |
| ▲ | zamadatix 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think they just meant it as "Bluesky the community" rather than "Bluesky Social, PBC employees". E.g. just like "HN loves corrections" (hello!) refers to the HN community and "Reddit discusses the title" the same. | |
| ▲ | rescbr 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same feeling as well. Bluesky is also a place amenable to bots. |
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| ▲ | Philpax 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Use of Claude Code for an application used by artists. Just a fundamental misalignment of expectations. | | |
| ▲ | diath 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Makes no sense. I don't see physical artists being upset that their pencils were manufactured in a factory instead of hand made. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. | | |
| ▲ | diath 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We're in a reply chain discussing a mob of digital artists exercising verbal violence against a digital painting software author who used LLM to assist with the code. This is literally an analogous situation. | |
| ▲ | margalabargala 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | On the contrary I think that's an apt comparison. Look up the history of e.g. the Luddites. This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened in human history. |
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| ▲ | jhack 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not surprising. Bluesky is full of wannabe programmers who love talking down to actual developers. |
