> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization

There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way.

You story is also very confusing due to the wording around "opt-in by default" and "disappointed [about] opt-in to training" (most people would be disappointed about an opt-out) and probably conveys the wrong message to most people.

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teekert 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier).

Sorry, I have always thought that "opting in" is, "opting for the presented option" and opting out is "opting out of it", so opting out [of sharing prompts for training] is choosing to not share, but apparently I was wrong my whole life. I'm not a native speaker, and I think most people here (in my country) would interpret this the way I do? Weird but TIL.

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throwaway89201 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier).

You don't see "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral’s AI models" at https://admin.mistral.ai/vibe/privacy ?

And "Allow the use of your API calls to train Mistral’s AI models" at https://admin.mistral.ai/plateforme/privacy ?

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bee_rider 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FWIW I don’t find what you wrote confusing, but I do think it is following a sort of… bad convention that some companies have been pushing.

Opt-in and opt-out describe the nature of the choice that you make. “Opt” means to choose (apparently it is a French word we stole). Opt-in means you have to proactively choose to be in. Opt-out means you have to proactively choose to be out. “Opt-in by default” is an overly verbose way of saying “opt-out.”

In either case it describes the choice that you need to proactively make to override the default behavior.

Edit: I should also say that it is a “known point of contention” where pro-privacy people have been pushing back on this phrasing. So, you have probably accidentally stumbled into an ongoing discussion, which is why some of the comments might be unexpectedly prickly.

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Miraltar 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you opt in it means that by default you're not in and you chose that option. So if you're now included in training by default, then it's an opt-out feature as in you can opt out of it.

	▲	teekert 32 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Idk, feels like my brain does not have the model for this, this does not exist in my language afaik haha.

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tedggh 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You said it correctly, there’s no confusion.

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Barbing 3 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

My native-US-English speaker read:

“disappointed that the Pro tier was opted-in to training on prompts by default” [and required manually opting out]

“the Team tier was now also opted-in by default” [and required manually opting out]

In context of each sentence and the larger comment, read smoothly here.

Also - have seen more than one lively discussion on these phrases, since defaults can stick 95% of the time and Big Tech has done their best to be abusive about what they automatically enable for users by default for some time.