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| ▲ | hgoel 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's tricky to do a proper calculation because everyone obscures what a token or a prompt costs in subscriptions and on top of that we have the complexity of how much different models think. For example, GLM5.3-flash runs slightly slower than Qwen3.8-Next-Flash but uses fewer tokens to think and thus finishes tasks faster overall. On top of that we have complications like Anthropic apparently being extremely misleading about what the 20x plan really means (it isn't 20x the weekly limit of the base plan). I would not be surprised if everyone's doing something manipulative like that. The constant changes to promotional periods, frequent limit resets, harness updates etc make this even more difficult. |
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| ▲ | esperent a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't think it's that tricky - there's tools like ccusage that show what you would have paid for Claude at api rates, and I think codex just straight up shows you how many tokens you've used if you run /usage. |
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| ▲ | Grimblewald an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i dunno about more expensive, but I do known it fixed several side projects opus 4.8 has been struggling to get working, using only their standard plan. |
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| ▲ | trescenzi 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If by most developers you mean individuals then sure. But Anthropic and OpenAI have gotten rid of the subscriptions for most, if not all, corporate contracts. So companies looking to give their employees access are paying api rates. |
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| ▲ | zuhsetaqi 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Anthropic and OpenAI have gotten rid of the subscriptions for most, if not all, corporate contracts. Do you have any source for that? | | |
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| ▲ | kenmacd 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know about kimi, but my napkin-math shows that qwen and glm give you at least an order of magnitude more usage than anthropic, and that's before you factor in any off-peak discounts. |
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| ▲ | esperent 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Are you calculating based on API prices? Because I'm talking specifically about subscriptions here. | | |
| ▲ | kenmacd a day ago | parent [-] | | Subscriptions. From some searching I saw a best case if around 600M tokens as a back of a napkin usage on the Anthropic subscription for $200 and at worst 2.6B for glm-5.3 for $120. The credit system makes it tricky to compare though so I'm curious how you worked them out to be closer. (K3 does seem much closer, I think) |
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| ▲ | Tepix 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you comparing their subscription to yours?
How do you know how many tokens you're getting for your subscription or for theirs? I believe the answer is: You don't. |
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| ▲ | vikramkr a day ago | parent [-] | | no the answer is `npx ccusage` or any of the other of the trillion ways to see how many tokens you're getting and what the current subsidization rates are. | | |
| ▲ | Tepix 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Interesting. Are people collecting these concrete numbers somewhere on the web? |
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| ▲ | vikramkr a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| no the $200/mo subs are definitely infinitely cheaper. If you're stuck paying enterprise API prices though that's not the case. So for personal or business premium plan use there's no competition but api rate/enterprise there is. Still a ton of spend happening on e.g. bedrock and via api. |
