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TimTheTinker 6 hours ago

Ladybird is steadily progressing: https://ladybird.org/

strenholme an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I will believe it when I see it. Still no public release.

xgulfie 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

too bad the project leader is a white replacement theory type

nickthegreek 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?

xgulfie 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Here's a fun example https://archive.is/ZtQpj

Another funny moment from this guy https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...

happytoexplain 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

These both look within the realm of reason. Not that you must agree with them, only that they are not some kind of hideous evil.

Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The dismissal of gendered language as politics is arguably “defensible” in a “I wrote this in a way that allows me to hide behind it” sort of way. It was wrong and needlessly dismissive in a way that clearly communicates he disagrees to anyone who understands typical internet discourse tactics.

If he really did not want “political drama” or whatever there are far more effective ways to handle it that don't allow you to also signal your disapproval/disagreement with the content.

TL;DR: he handled it in a way that expressed his disagreement while staying plausibly deniable.

happytoexplain 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I completely agree that he was unnecessarily prickly/political in his response. I only disagree that it validates xgulfie's implication that he is in the "so bad we should disparage whatever he does" category.

flaviolivolsi 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you

dev1ycan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I was dealing with the same type of "person" that's only "contribution" to every github repo is to just go and ask for language policing I would intentionally be as prickly as possibly to them while telling them no.

Forgeties79 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Then you’d be a bad steward.

bigstrat2003 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is absolutely nothing constructive about removing "gendered language". He was absolutely right to shut that nonsense down.

Forgeties79 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

You’re literally doing what I described. You’re not even attempting to understand the issue,

drnick1 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All of this seems about right.

cute_boi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what is wrong about it? I have issue with diversity that it allows someone to game the whole system. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion looks very good on paper, but in real world implementation it fails abysmally. I can tell because some of my friend who don't know anything got into companies by the same diversity and highly talented friend were rejected.

catlikesshrimp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not talking about you. But a white supremacist would be ok with only white people formally employed because whoever is not white wouldn't get a job without gaming the system. Pick the lesser evil.

happytoexplain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I share your concern about the effects of white supremacy, but in this case it looks like there is no lesser or greater "evil'. Just a guy who expresses his opinions without delicacy.

leephillips 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That fun example does not provide evidence of what you accused the developer of. Not even close. I think if you’re going to accuse someone of what amounts to racist paranoia, you’d better have clear evidence of it. The fragment you linked to simply shows Kling being uncomfortable with racial discrimination in hiring, which is a mainstream, probably majority, attitude.

nasso_dev 5 hours ago | parent [-]

no, the fragment shows kling is completely blinded by his own privileges as a cisgender white guy and completely missing the point of diversity by instead making it all about himself and other cisgender white dudes

its unfortunately very common for privileged people to not realize how good they have it compared to people with less privileges. you have to live it to really know what its like

diversity efforts being seen as "discrimination against [privileged group]" is exactly how we don't fix the problem

happytoexplain 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In the 2020's, this is just another genre of petty hatred. As time goes on, one "type" of person's historical privilege becomes less and less valid as a reason to reduce them in any way, as compared to anybody else (giving the benefit of the doubt that it ever was "valid"). Similarly, "diversity efforts" are laudable in theory, but in practice they are frequently just discrimination in the opposite direction of what is typical.

copper-float 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

None of this has anything to do with "white replacement", or being "blind to privilege". You're stretching a totally reasonable viewpoint into "evil racism" because you don't agree with his point of view.

So you try to slander and discredit anyone who thinks differently than you. Same playbook every time, so boring.

You might think differently, but I think hiring someone based on their race to meet arbitrary racial quotas is insulting.

xgulfie 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry everyone on "hacker" "news" I cannot provably see into a strangers heart of hearts in a way that would satisfy you

happytoexplain 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't follow, especially since this is a reply to your own post. Can you clarify?

leephillips 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s an expression of frustration at being expected to supply evidence after accusing someone of racism.

nickthegreek 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Here at HN, we regularly expect evidence of lesser known claims. It’s actually a pretty cool way to form understanding based on reality. My original post was openminded, and stated that I tried to learn more about what your post on my own to not waste your time. When I could bot find discourse or articles about your statement, I asked for a source. That is a natural and valid thing to have happen. If there is basically no validation of your strong statements, maybe think about what you post and what it’s adding to the discourse.

happytoexplain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You are not responding to the same commenter.

kikokikokiko 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It would be nice to have a browser with excellent ad blocking capabities that doesn't use the money of donations to fund "whites not welcome" initiatives, so people would be able to choose browsers based on their skin color

cyberax 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The last time I checked the source code, it was filled with horrible unsafe C++. They also re-implement everything whether it is needed or not.

adamrt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It was filled with horrible unsafe C++

Are you saying their code was horrible and unsafe, or just that its a byproduct of using C++. They've been rewriting parts in rust: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114....

> They also re-implement everything whether it is needed or not.

No they don't. SerenityOS did, and that was the goal of the project. But Ladybird has plenty of third party libraries.

cyberax 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Are you saying their code was horrible and unsafe, or just that its a byproduct of using C++.

Yes.

It's both terrible because it's C++, and it's terrible because they're not following the modern C++ safe coding practices.

> They've been rewriting parts in rust: https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/blob/8f0a1b19114....

And it's not going to amount to anything major. Rewriting in Rust properly requires architecting things from the beginning.

> No they don't.

For a long time, their policy had been "no third-party code". Eventually it became untenable, so they started using third-party libraries. But they still ended up reinventing the wheel at least several times.

dieortin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Aren’t Chrome and Firefox also filled with “horrible unsafe C++”?

cyberax 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yup. But they had thousands of engineers working on them for a decade.

unloader6118 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Doesnt that makes it even less consistent ?

cyberax 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why? C++ is horrible, but when you have thousands of developers, you can make it work.