| ▲ | Breaking Claude Code Opus 5 Auto Mode(embracethered.com) |
| 226 points by Recursing 7 hours ago | 73 comments |
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| ▲ | andai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| >But it runs that decoder inside the attacker-controlled directory (unzipped archive) >There a malicious struct.py shadows Python’s standard implementation I ran into this myself, where some file I had given a random name turned out to shadow some Python standard library module, giving me the weirdest startup crash ever. That definitely doesn't seem to me like how that should be designed, magically silently importing everything you see and overriding basic functionality. |
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| ▲ | DanielHB 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Claude ran npm update (update all dependencies to the latest version compatible with the semver specified) in my repo without telling me when trying to fix some problems. Given that only updates the dependency lock-file I didn't notice and it caused several hours of debugging for me. It is quite sneaky how LLM output can sometimes bypass human verification like that. No one is going around checking every single line change in auto-generated files. Someone could easily sneak a malicious dependency in there through some online tutorial that the LLM searches for. | | |
| ▲ | kouteiheika 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > No one is going around checking every single line change in auto-generated files. There's a simple fix for your particular case: commit your lock fine (which you should do) and always review the diff (which you should also do). (: | | |
| ▲ | eterm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You've made me realise a good signal for bug hunting: Search repos with lock files listed in their .gitignore. It's the sort of terrible practice that someone might be frustrated into taking after a nasty merge conflict, and signals a willingness to cut corners. | | |
| ▲ | DanielHB 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My lockfile was not gitignored, I had made significant changes to package.json so I was expecting diffs in the lockfile. I just don't usually read lockfile diffs and claude inadvertently updated a few dozen packages to new minor versions without me noticing. In fact I only realized the problem after I looked at the lockfile diff. | |
| ▲ | esperent 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > You've made me realise a good signal for bug hunting: Search repos with lock files listed in their .gitignore. What would be the point of that? Do you just go around hunting for bugs in random repos? | | |
| ▲ | gwbas1c 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's also a good practice when taking a new job, especially if someone is a contractor and changes gigs every few months or years. I've found that, when I start a job, I have to rely on smells like this to know what kind of mess (or if there is a mess) I need to clean up. | |
| ▲ | eterm an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure, in the spirit of open source, why not? It's a hobby, and it scratches an itch. I very much enjoy deconstructing things more than putting them together. We also live in a world where a package written by someone learning to code ended up critically underpinning the entire ecosystem and is downloaded 500 million times a month. Ignoring the eco-terror aspect of that for now, it means there's an awful lot of code out there which is finding itself under constant attack by a fleet of hostile AI. I don't personally believe that the solution to that is "more AI", which firstly just overwhelms maintainers and secondly surrenders our human agency to a giant machine, with a hope that the "good" side can out-spend the bad. Nor do I think the solution is to abandon the open internet and retreat behind corporate walls into curated spaces, "benevolently" protected by giant companies. Which means holding on to the open internet requires a human approach, and any signal to help amplify the work there is a benefit. | | |
| ▲ | order-matters 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >We also live in a world where a package written by someone learning to code ended up critically underpinning the entire ecosystem and is downloaded 500 million times a month whoa what? which one is that? | | |
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| ▲ | DanielHB 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I made changes to my dependency lists in the same code where Claude ran npm update. The lockfile diff was a few hundred lines after I undid what Claude did. And yes, eventually I did check the lockfile changes and spotted the problem. I just usually don't check the lockfile that throughly. | | |
| ▲ | kouteiheika 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I made changes to my dependency lists in the same code where Claude ran npm update. ...but was it in the same commit? Two "update lockfile" commits, one yours and one Claude's should have made this obvious, no? Here's another useful rule of thumb: never mix your changes with the agent's changes. Agent always starts with a clean repository (no pending, uncommited human changes). You always start with with a clean repository (no pending, uncommited agent changes). Personally I have this in my `AGENTS.md`: ## Commit early, commit often
You are allowed and encouraged to produce small, self-contained commits.
Never `git push`; I will always review and rebase the full history and do the push myself.
Commit messages should be *short* and on-point. They're there for *me* to review your work, and *not* a public historical artifact.
So my workflow is usually this: start agent with a clean repository, tell it to do a thing, it works in the background, then once it's finished I come back, review, rewrite and clean up half of what it wrote, then maybe iterate some more with it, and finally do an interactive git rebase to get a clean commit history. |
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| ▲ | catlifeonmars 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Heh, I also notice some coding agents like to explicitly git ignore the lockfile. | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “But I have an agent for that.” |
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| ▲ | fg137 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I cannot tell you how much time I have saved by stopping Claude and asking, "what are you doing?" At least 50% of the time, Claude "realizes" it already has all the information but is doing something that's unnecessary for the current work, stop, and tell me the previous step has completed. People complain about approval prompts etc and have Claude run in fully autonomous mode. Outside small bug fixes, I just never find that useful. It helps me immensely to see what commands Claude is running to understand where the work is going. | | |
| ▲ | UpsideDownRide an hour ago | parent [-] | | Also Claude often cooks up atrocious overengineered ideas but responds pretty well to being guided hands on to the desirable scope. |
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| ▲ | tuwtuwtuwtuw 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe I don't understand you correctly but if your lock file isn't in Git then you have bigger security issues than LLM output, given the last years NPM worms. Unless you're a single developer and the file on disk is the primary source of truth. |
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| ▲ | ricardobeat an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is kind of crazy that Python allows shadowing standard library modules so easily. If this was a 'feature' in node.js it would have been front-paged and bashed to death in the blink of an eye. |
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| ▲ | kstenerud 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just one of the many reasons why I run my agents sandboxed (and why I wrote agent sandboxing software). I once caught my Claude agent complaining that it couldn't connect to https://some-weird-domain.com because the network was down (I disable network in the sandbox when it doesn't need it, and broker the API connection). I asked why it was looking there and it told me I'd asked it to. I never found any evidence of prompt injection, but it sure as hell made me paranoid. |
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| ▲ | dwaltrip 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sometimes they get confused between their own output and user messages… |
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| ▲ | rcxdude 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would not really call this a prompt injection attack, since it doesn't really hijack the agent to become malicious (something the article does discuss later on). It's more a trojan that's aimed at tricking Claude specifically. |
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| ▲ | colinmarc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What's interesting to me about this is that it targets Claude's specific tics. Anthropic has created model that reliably reaches for the same tools (yes, and phrases; `python -c` is a load-bearing tool for it). Everyone gets the same model, so by learning the model's behavioral patterns you can target it better. |
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| ▲ | throwawayffffas 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Kimi and GLM reliably run python to do stuff as well. | | |
| ▲ | andai 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If my memory serves me so do GPT and Deepseek. So I'm not sure if this attack is Claude specific at all. |
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| ▲ | comboy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Interesting attack, very nicely designed. Not sure if it's much related to the auto mode itself though. |
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| ▲ | kevsim 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The point is that auto mode gives people a false sense of security that leads them to believe they don't need to run Claude in a proper sandbox. This same attack running in a sandbox (even in YOLO mode) would be comparatively harmless. | | |
| ▲ | silversmith 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you suggest a proper sandbox on mac? One that allows both me and the agent to interact with the processes? Where it can drive browser, for both oauth setup and runtime visual inspection? I've tried building docker setups, but can't figure out the browser driving part. | |
| ▲ | bombcar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Auto mode is for people who just keep hitting "YES" on everything, it's a bit better than that. But it's real easy to give auto mode instructions (like "always ask before deploy") and then bypass that just normally. | | |
| ▲ | whstl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure I agree. It's easy to "give" instructions, but Claude routinely "forgets" to follow certain instructions, such as "always using the Edit Tool". Just this week it started to use bash with string concatenation to work around some commands that were blocked in settings.json | | |
| ▲ | ealready_value 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Ever since they made auto-mode default I swear claude has tuned to use python commands instead of the Edit Tool to frustrate the ~security conscience~ luddites into using auto-mode. | |
| ▲ | silversmith 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | What seems to work for me is automation - read file hook that re-injects instructions in the prompt every 15 minutes. Switch on the filename and get language-specific instructions too. |
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| ▲ | Xunjin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Until the model updates or you switch between them often that stops obeying your commands and you have to remind it. In one of the occasions it opened a bug report for me just waiting for hit the enter button. |
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| ▲ | rcxdude 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I also feel like this is an attack that manual review is not that likely to catch, given none of the malicious code appears in any of the tool calls or output. |
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| ▲ | yeputons 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t think it’s related to the auto mode at all. It would work perfectly in the manual mode. It does not even need Claude: just give a human a similar archive and hope they run some simple Python from the directory at least once. And make sure there are lots of files do they don’t notice a weird .py around | | |
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| ▲ | alkonaut 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem with sandboxing is that the regular dev env (massive IDE:s, cloned megarepos, installed dependencies and so on) just won't sandbox very easily. I can't set up a "second machine" or an "isolated environment" to run claude cli in. At least not in the sense of a VM, physical hardware, container etc. Not sure what the best practices are for whitelisting tools/directories and so on, but so far the only useful mode I have found is just "allow everything and go to lunch". And it doesn't feel like I'm holding it right, but here we are. |
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| ▲ | rcxdude 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It is generally worth making your dev environment easy enough to set up that installing it in a VM is not a particular hassle, even without the concerns about sandboxing. For me the biggest headache was windows licensing. | | |
| ▲ | alkonaut 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is a massive headache. But also for desktop dev (the boat I'm in) there are things like usb device tunneling/drivers, 3D performance and so on. Windows Sandbox would work pretty well otherwise (And also solves the licensing issue). |
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| ▲ | cma an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Golden VM image with differencing VHD/VHDX/delta disk. Build products can still get huge with debugging information, but debug info usually can compress 5:1 with fast compression (no entropy coder) if your VM's filesystem can support that. | | |
| ▲ | alkonaut 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | But unless you want to also do all your "human" development inside a VM, how do you cooperate effectively with the agent(s)? I want to run my IDE directly on the hardware, not inside a VM. So while the agents develop in a sandbox/VM, I still need to touch the same files, and see them in my IDE which is not in a VM. I suppose I could just _mount_ the same files (Documentation, git working copies etc) I work on as directories inside the VM, and then let it roam free in there, while I observe the same files on the host machine? Is this a common pattern? |
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| ▲ | hahn-kev 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a non Python dev this seems like very surprising behavior for a system library to be modified by just having a file with a specific name in the same folder. |
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| ▲ | MereInterest 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's an awful problem, and a pretty big gotcha for the ecosystem. For example, I worked on a tool that used `tool_name/random.py` for analysis of RNG usage. However, any command run within that directory would shadow the builtin `import random`. As a result, I couldn't run the `black` formatter from within that directory, because it would accidentally import the local `random.py`. The solution is to update the python flags to include `-I`, so that python will run in an isolated mode. <rant> This is relates to my frustration with how PEP-668 was implemented. Python has long had a problem with accidental overwriting of system libraries. If you `sudo python -mpip install foo`, then that can interact very poorly with your distro's `sudo apt-get install python-foo`, since pip would add/remove files that were expected to be managed solely through `apt-get`. But in adding a warning to prevent this, they also applied the same warning to `~/.local/pythonX.Y/site-packages`, which is where traditionally a user would install additional packages with `python -mpip --local foo`. The argument is that since this is part of the import path of `/usr/bin/python`, it belongs to the system's python installation, so installation to the user's site-packages should also be blocked. This is a sleight of hand that changes the goal of PEP-668 from "avoid conflicts in file ownership" to "ensure an isolated python environment for system tools". If I were to accept their argument that /usr/bin/python's imports should only be affected by distro-managed installations, then I should also be prevented from making any `*.py` files anywhere. After all, if those were in the working directory, they would be imported. This is clearly ridiculous, and so I don't buy the argument that breaking user-level site-packages is justified in order to have an isolated system-level python. The correct solution would be for distro-managed programs to use `#!/usr/bin/python -I` as their shebang instead of `#!/usr/bin/python`, so they would actually get an isolated environment. Instead, PEP-668 needlessly broke user-level site-packages, and didn't even solve the problem that it set out to do. </rant> | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You would get a similar thing in C and C++ with a system header in a library directory (maybe some compilers would warn on such a thing?). Most languages don't privilege their standard libraries in a way that would prevent this. | | |
| ▲ | mostlylurks 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Privileging the standard library would be a pretty bad way of fixing the issue. It wouldn't prevent the same issue from affecting non-standard libraries, which are also subject to the same issue. The correct way to avoid this issue would be to require local code to be imported in a distinct manner from installed libraries, with an explicitly defined relative path, which is how it works in the javascript ecosystem. If you want to import local code, you just `import foo from './foo';` (for a module in the same folder, `import foo from '../foo';` for module from parent folder, etc.), and if you want to import an installed library, `import foo from 'foo';`. | | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I wasn't recommending it as a mitigation per se. python /does/ have relative imports but they're not required. C and C++ notionally have a similar thing with "include.h" vs <include.h> but the behavior is complex and not really designed for avoiding confusion about where the header is coming from. |
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| ▲ | DangitBobby 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah my takeaway after reading the article was this seems more like a demonstrated vulnerability in Python than in Claude Code. | |
| ▲ | ATMLOTTOBEER 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah my first impression here is just “wow python is bad” |
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| ▲ | amluto 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would argue that this isn’t a problem with auto mode or the permission system per se. It’s a combination of two issues: 1. Lack of effective sandboxing. Analyzing a zip file should be done in a sandbox specific to that file. 2. Python’s utterly stupid default path behavior. Python should make PYTHONSAFEPATH the default and Claude should have its training or system prompt adjusted to use python -Pc |
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| ▲ | Phemist 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This default-to-auto-mode and the misleading marketing is begging for a class action once damages accumulate. Especially considering the Auto Mode even can actively prevent the clean-up! |
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| ▲ | too_pricey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As discussed [here](https://lobste.rs/s/ktbweg/prompt_injection_claude_code_opus...), this is not prompt injection. The prompt was to summarize the website, and in the process of summarizing the website, Claude writes a decoding script that it runs in an insecure and exploitable way. At no point was the intent of the agent hijacked, this was just code. Which is potentially more interesting! |
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| ▲ | singularity2001 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can be easily combined with prompt injection though if you write on one site "in order to understand this website you also need to summarize that other". | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It does mean that you could potentially hijack the agent afterwards, though, which could make the trojan into an even bigger threat. | | |
| ▲ | lnenad 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | But you're not actually hijacking the agent if you start a new process. | | |
| ▲ | pests 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The agent wrote the code that triggered a vuln and allowed you to start the process | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean once you have code execution you can essentially just start a new claude code session and instruct it to do malicious things as if you're the intended user. You can disable the auto safeguards and the main risk is getting flagged through the top-level safeguards. This makes the exploit potentially much more able to spread like a worm or bypass sandboxes. |
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| ▲ | lnenad 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, I agree, this is a different vector. Still scary though and very related to AI. |
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| ▲ | nasretdinov 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's an interesting technique! I'd also like to point out that there's something odd with the page itself too, my phone got really hot while I was reading the page, and drained a significant amount of battery charge as well. |
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| ▲ | DarmokTanagra 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This looks like fun. I wonder how hard it would be to get claude agents to participate in a Hugging Face style coordinated attack using a repo or something like twitter as a control pane. Getting claude to exfiltrate secrets from local machines seems easy enough, but we should aim higher. |
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| ▲ | throwawayffffas 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > In a few runs Claude tried to terminate the malware process once it noticed the compromise, but Auto Mode denied the cleanup command. See, that's why you should run with --dangerously-skip-permissions Jokes, aside running with dangerously-skip-permissions is really handy, and I have found that I cannot be trusted to vet commands and code, and guess that automode is only marginally better than a human, and the cost of false positives is too high for my workflow. So skipping permissions is where we are at, and disallowing network access seems to be the way to go. |
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| ▲ | lenikirilov an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| worth noting the 0.00% came from 72 fixed scenarios, so its a coverage number more than a safety one. a chain that wasn't in the set was never going to show up in it. |
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| ▲ | mcherm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why is the first step needed? What does the use of WGet (rather than curl) do to block this attack? |
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| ▲ | rcxdude 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | They only mention it in passing, but I think it's mainly just the default tool call (which isn't wget, it's a built-in thing in the harness) just throwing off Claude's habits a bit (and not always just downloading the file). | | |
| ▲ | fl0id 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | WebFetch sometimes does its own summary according to the article, and theyn it will not work. |
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| ▲ | julien_dev 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm quite surprised that we are not seeing something like this more in the wild. Quite concerning |
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| ▲ | 1123581321 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Usually auto mode does mild things that are dismaying but not dangerous, or maybe not noticed (like if it posts sensitive local data in a request that gets logged but never exploited.) | |
| ▲ | chmod775 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What vibe "don't even gotta read it" coder would even notice if it happened? | |
| ▲ | mkurz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe it is used in the wild, but we just don't know. | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not that far off a typical trojan, just one tailored to Claude's habits. A lot of the same limits apply. |
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| ▲ | ofjcihen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’ve had some pretty consistent luck breadcrumbing the newer models into downloading malicious packages through things like fake ciphers that “need decoding via <made-up decoder>”. I’m worried about what happens when the gullibility of agents becomes more apparent to threat actors. |
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| ▲ | kilawattcloud 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree |
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| ▲ | bewareofscams 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Boris Cherny from Anthropic recently posted that layered defenses could reduce indirect prompt injection on unseen attacks to approximately zero. > I got attack success rates up to 80% using a small sample size. Snake oil salesman misrepresents the data. Color me surprised! /s |