TiDi is a huge problem in big skirmishes, to the point where people actively avoid large group fights: https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Time_dilation

The server isn't fast enough and it ends up slowing the game down to 10% speed as a workaround.

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ShinTakuya a day ago | parent [-]

Rewriting it in Rust isn't automatically faster and more importantly Eve's gameplay is constantly being iterated on and Rust has proven to be bad for that.

Moreover, most of Eve's bottleneck isn't single server speed, it's mostly network IO and database queries and latency. The big TiDi skirnishes in particular are slow due to this.

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tripleee 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

On the iteration: I'm not sure that's the case anymore? Sure new content is added but it's largely within existing systems. The game is closing in on 25 years old at this point.

I've no insight into what specifically their bottleneck is. The database doesn't sound like it'd be a factor, though, since the slowdowns are isolated to single nodes handling the area with players and don't effect others.

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JackMorgan 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Could I see your sources for how Rust is slower for iterations?

I've been working in JS, Python, C#, TS, and F# for about ten years. I'd guess F# and TS are tied for me for prototyping speed. I have to wonder how much the "common knowledge" that strongly typed languages are slower for prototyping is driven by unfamiliarity with the tool.

	▲	ShinTakuya 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I didn't say anything about strongly typed languages being bad for prototyping. I specifically said Rust is bad for prototyping speed. Lots of high profile cases of Rust being abandoned (Witchbrook comes to mind as an example). There have been lots of posts here about Rust being not the nirvana it's claimed to be for such projects. This one comes to mind https://loglog.games/blog/leaving-rust-gamedev/ I say this as a big fan of Rust. I use it for CLIs, microservice development and more. The borrow checker, traits, enums, etc. are amazing for maintainability, reliability and speed. Fast iteration where you'll want to completely redo a system at the drop of a hat? Rust is a royal pain in the behind. Largely, proponents of Rust who push it for game development have their minds stuck in the solutions space and forget about the problem space. The fact that Rust was even proposed to fix Eve here is a huge example of solutions focused thinking (bad bad bad) because is misunderstands that Eve was never bottlenecked on processing speed of its physics or business logic.
	▲	nicce 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Depends on what you do. For prototyping GUIs without well-defined framerwork, Rust is terrible. TypeScript wins completely. For back-ends, not so clear, since it is easier to write the intent there and even prototype must be somewhat correct, and TS is not as explicit as Rust is.