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roscas 3 hours ago

Wise words "Never give ANY smart device internet.".

That is just stupid to give internet access to a "smart" tv or a "smart" phone. You have zero control over it.

skizm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It sucks being in an apartment complex because there are always a bunch of unsecured networks floating around that the TV, or whatever, can connect to even if you don't manually do it.

dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Would using an older wifi router that you have lying around as a anti-smart device network work? Fire it up with no WAN signal. It's just a radio broadcasting an SSID that you can connect a device to. Are the "smart" devices smart enough to know there is no WAN signal and keep searching for a different connection, or will it be tricked into not being able to connect to the internet?

drnick1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One option is to physically remove the WiFi card. I saw an article about this a while back, and it was a surprisingly simple mod.

On a related note, you should absolutely remove the cellular modem from your car as well.

eldaisfish 2 hours ago | parent [-]

removing the cellular modem from a car can have several unintended consequences.

The geniuses at hyundai refuse to let you operate the heating in some of their electric cars without an internet connection. Yes, you read that right - the only way to operate the HVAC compressor in several hyundai EVs is via their stupid app and the internet. I found out the hard way when i kept noticing that my hyundai EV was not heating the cabin in winter even though i turned the HAVC on. Turns out, as soon as you plug into the wall outlet, the compressor stops.

There is no technical reason for this, other than enshittification.

fusslo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Back when I first started my career, I generally disagreed. My first job was at a connected device startup in the IoT space. The whole ethos around data was pretty good. Maybe it was because the tech side of the company I worked for was 99% ex-gov contractors (aerospace, low level routers, submarines...).

We collected such minimal information. Basically only enough to allow for OTAs, functionality, and debugging. Thinking back, we could've collected so much more.

I remember when Alexa hit the market and we (as a company) thought there's NO WAY amazon was making any money on them.

Today... NO WAY. Along the way the value stopped being "This product is priced so we can make a profit" and became "The data we collect is more valuable than the sale".

blitzar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Never give ANY dumb device internet"

The smart here really isnt the issue.

____tom____ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are likely going to have access. Lots of things have built in cellular modems these days, and your cable provider already uses your cable modem as a hotspot for other people.

You can do things like physically modifying your TV, or seeing if there are undocumented settings to disable things.

alexfoo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It works both ways though.

The traffic was separated so that anything on the public hotspot was not attributed to the private subscriber network.

Secondly for years I lived somewhere very remote so that meant that hardly anyone ever got to use my broadband connection via such a hotspot, but I got to use hundreds of other peoples hotspots when I was somewhere less isolated.

I was quite happy to opt in to this system as I benefitted hugely from it.

drnick1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> your cable provider already uses your cable modem as a hotspot for other people.

Is this for real? This does not affect me as I use my own equipment, but I still find it hard to believe.

WalterGR 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. Xfinity is the big one. Their devices create two hotspots: one for the customer and one to power their Xfinity WiFi service and for bandwidth offloading for their cellular service.

Instructions for disabling it: https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/disable-xfinity-wif...

jedbrooke 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I have to say though as a xfinity customer, being able to get wifi basically anywhere urban is pretty nice

akiselev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Major ISPs in the US have been doing it for at least a decade. Xfinity Wifi [1] claims over 20 million wifi hotspots provided through customer routers.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfinity#Xfinity_WiFi

Terr_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Started years ago:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/comcasts-new-neighborh...

ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes. Cox has been doing it for years. They boast citywide hotspot access for all subscribers. I formerly thought that this hotspot network consisted of dedicated APs which they mount and maintain on utility poles in public places. But that’s just the start.

Every Cox customer has a Panoramic WiFi router that advertises as a member of the “CoxWiFi” SSID, and other customers can authenticate there and access the Internet through your connection. This is on a strictly opt-out basis.

I’ve opted-out, and also my router is permanently in Bridge Mode, so there is no technical way for me to provide anyone a WiFi connection. But all my neighbors do, even if they are blissfully unaware.

saintfire 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The best thing about fibre rollout in my region is that the ONT appears to act as the modem so I don't need to set the modem/router into bridge mode any more.

I'm sure that'll end.

robotnikman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Another reason to use your own Wifi router and modem

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majorchord 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> hotspot for other people.

How does this work legally when you get in trouble for someone else's activity?

margalabargala 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's also usually not that hard to open the case and remove the physical antennas.

Ancalagon 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that why the cable companies are always trying to get me to use their equipment now?? God I hate this.

Barbing 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Plus the DNS spying even after disabling their safety stuff (impossible to change DNS on Comcast Xfinity-provided gateway). Still trying to get as good speeds with my own equipment.

afarah1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, nowadays the purpose of a TV is usually to watch content over the internet, so I wouldn't call it "stupid" to connect the TV to the internet.

You might say it's naive, but is it really naive to buy a TV and expect it to be a device to display audiovisual content and not a spyware/adware machine?

I feel like it's not the user's behavior that should be put into question here, but the borderline criminal behavior of the manufacturer.

groby_b 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Except... some of us like to stream content on TVs. And some of us really don't like the idea of maintaining yet another extra piece of hardware for that.

And so your TV does need Internet access.

The same holds for many other devices, in different shapes. Sure, you can opt out of civilization completely to avoid all the side effects of late stage capitalism, but maybe it's worth applying a bit more nuanced thinking to find a balance that doesn't throw you back to the 1800s. (Unless you like the 1800s, in which case, enjoy)

thwarted 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If the TV only plugged into the wall for electricity and showed the video that was fed into it via one of its inputs, does that TV qualify as "yet another extra piece of hardware that needs to be maintained"? The only reason it needs "maintenance" is because it does all this extra "smart" stuff. A separate device that has the "smarts" and treats the TV as a bare monitor screen would still be only one device to "maintain".

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drnick1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Except... some of us like to stream content on TVs.

Linux mini-PC running Bigscreen Plasma. No, it can't be used to stream Netflix at native resolution because of DRM. But if you can't live without Netflix content, you can use alternative sources and save money in the process. VacuumTube for YT instead of the official app.

Yes, this is an additional device, but it is not unlike a streaming stick or Android shitbox.