| ▲ | consensus1 5 hours ago |
| The AI companies look at something called the "endless government bureaucracy" and they think to themselves "fuck that, I'm not waiting 10 years for all that bullshit, I'll just use the loophole." I truly cannot comprehend any other reaction because I would rather have my fingernails ripped out than deal with years of government bureaucracy. |
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| ▲ | Schlagbohrer 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Government beauracracy, which provides things like democratic oversight, environmental protection, enforcing power grid standards and interoperability, construction regulations, etc? Would you rather we just didn't have those things? |
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| ▲ | rangestransform 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It should be mind numbingly trivial to stand up a solar farm and ram through some transmission lines in the desert, and mind numbingly hard to set up a temporary gas generator. We needed regulatory exemptions yesterday for clean energy, public transit, and EV charging. | | |
| ▲ | TitaRusell 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh it would be if AI actually made money. Turns out all those companies cheap out and don't actually want to put down the 20 billion for a nuclear reactor- which should be trivial if they were really the future! | | |
| ▲ | SR2Z an hour ago | parent [-] | | They have billions of dollars, they're short on TIME. They want computers in racks now and (rightfully imo) look at yearslong approval processes with disgust. Look at Ashburn, VA - they extract loads of money from these companies, and they keep getting investments because constructing new datacenters is easy thanks to state laws. It's not about the money here it's about the time. | | |
| ▲ | bigbadfeline 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > They want computers in racks now and (rightfully imo) look at yearslong approval processes with disgust. Disgust of the rules for me but not for thee? The rest of us have to follow the rules, but not them. How about disgust for actual pollution? They could build clean, quiet and fast if "> It's not about the money it's about the time" It doesn't add up, like at all. |
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| ▲ | consensus1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All of them are good except for democratic oversight. Those other things are beneficial and cheap and easy to comply with. It's the democratic oversight of what gets built and where that is nothing more than a giveaway to worthless bureaucrats, lawyers, activists, and NIMBYs. | | |
| ▲ | tavavex an hour ago | parent [-] | | The alternative to democracy is wealthy guys who can buy their way into anything being done forcing their will upon the "worthless" rest of the populace, as you called them. If only billionaires weren't held up by the monsters that are activists protesting their activities and lawyers acting as a check on their legal power. Let's be clear, democracy isn't perfect and it usually isn't fast. But to date, it's the only system that has any hope of keeping the most powerful in check. Rejecting democracy is begging for someone who doesn't care about you to tell you what's right and wrong. | | |
| ▲ | consensus1 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I get that anyway. It's just that in democracy it's a mob of millions of idiots who don't care about me. I guess I'd rather have it be the billionaires because at least they want to build things and advance our infrastructure and technology. |
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| ▲ | malfist 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're not thinking like a techbro. My startup shouldn't have to adhere to those regulations, but everyone else should. In fact, once my startup gets established we should make even more regulations |
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| ▲ | inamorty 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do you get upset when staff have to wash their hands at your local eatery? |
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| ▲ | discreteevent 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I would rather have my fingernails ripped out than deal with years of government bureaucracy. These are just words. What matters are your actions. Your action is that you will cause other people to suffer pollution in order to enrich yourself. Why can't you stand up like a man and just say that that is what you want to do? And if you say "I am doing this to benefit humanity who need even more AI so badly" - Well those are also just words. |
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| ▲ | consensus1 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Who is causing what here? If there is no demand for those services then the data center will sit there idle and cause no pollution. You can't consume services that cause pollution without accepting your share of the responsibility. |
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| ▲ | Jweb_Guru 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Employees at the companies that do this stuff know exactly what these regulations are for and are violating them quite deliberately. They don't actually think it's "government bureaucracy" whatever they tell the public. |
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| ▲ | root_axis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What you label "government bureaucracy" is very often environmental protections working as intended. One AI company's "bullshit" is another citizen's "clean air and water". Since the AI companies don't care about those negative externalities, the government can act help to mitigate the damage. |
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| ▲ | Muromec 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would rather take /them/ going through fingernail ripping government bureaucracy for 10 years over /me/ having acid raid, but hey, I'm just a egoistical and don't see the Big Picture or something. |
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| ▲ | ahartmetz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Big picture Well, if you juuust let the rich get richer, something (intentionally left unspecified) will trickle down on you. |
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| ▲ | malvim 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, username checks out |
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| ▲ | folkrav 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Why am I still surprised to see such braindead takes on this site |
