| ▲ | thrownawaysz 2 days ago |
| I've had my fair share of shitty human made pizza so this kind of sounds like the autonomous taxi news cycle to me Thousands of car crashes a day > not a news A Waymo crashed > national news Humans making shitty pizza is not a news. But robots burning a pizza is a news. It'll get better. |
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| ▲ | legacynl 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Humans making shitty pizza is not a news. If humans were making shitty pizza on average, these companies wouldn't be pouring in their dollars trying to imitate it. >I've had my fair share of shitty human made pizza so this kind of sounds like the autonomous taxi news cycle to me I think you need to check the definition of 'news'. Something that happens everyday isn't 'news'. |
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| ▲ | swiftcoder 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > If humans were making shitty pizza on average I don't know about that. Shitty pizza sells very well. Nobody frequents fast-food pizza chains because of the quality of their pies... | | |
| ▲ | cooggog 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Shitty pizza sells very well. I’ve heard they’re hurting nowadays because many of them outsourced delivery to Uber Eats/Doordash and are so fucking expensive now, you may as well go to a nicer pizza place. |
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| ▲ | isgb 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tech firms bombard us with hype and publicity. Understandable, since they want to sell —- but this is the other side of the coin. If they want attention on their products they can’t expect it all to be good. |
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| ▲ | delis-thumbs-7e 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Read the actual article. The robots are not burning pizzas and the article claims no such thing. |
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| ▲ | cryptonym 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most pizza made today are robot made in factories, it has been the case for decades. Shit-tier pizzas and didn't improve over time. |
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| ▲ | tinco 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure if that's true, there's some frozen supermarket pizza now that's seriously good. If I ordered fast food and they delivered a freshly baked Crosta Mollica pizza I wouldn't send it back. Of course a fresh pizza is better, but imo you couldn't get a Crosta Mollica quality frozen pizza 10 years ago. | | |
| ▲ | stasomatic 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Perhaps MSG. Seems to have been proven harmless, but leads to overeating, in my case.I"m not giving it up, I can't eat veggies without it :) |
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| ▲ | tim333 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The pizzas I've been buying in Tesco are quite good really like this lot https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/bes... apparently they are "hand stretched" but I presume much of the other processes are automated in a factory. (prob not AI robots). A lot is about the quality of the ingredients. Those are wood fired and not frozen. | |
| ▲ | koiueo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Guys look! An American up there | |
| ▲ | card_zero 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Those factories still have people stretching dough, while the bases travel along a big belt, because human hands are good for that task, and are widely available and easily repaired or replaced, and adapt to different shapes and sizes of product and other contingencies. | | | |
| ▲ | jhbadger 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you talking about frozen pizza? That's always rather disappointing. Even chains like Dominos let alone good local pizzerias make their pizzas to order by people. |
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| ▲ | rimliu 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Good old "It'll get better". |
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| ▲ | _puk 2 days ago | parent [-] | | If there's financial incentive for it to, why wouldn't it? | | |
| ▲ | collabs 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The way I see it, the best way to serve is to remove all financial incentives. My dream is a free of cost at the point of service Uber pool like service that takes you door to door in one of those Ford transit vans. Over time, you learn patterns and put in mass public transit and the door to door vans then become door --> van --> public transit --> van --> door At least that's my dream for the US where we are spread apart like this | | |
| ▲ | fuzzfactor 2 days ago | parent [-] | | We already have this in downtown Houston but you don't get a Transit van. Instead it's a little battery-powered multi-passenger buggy, covered with ads and limited to downtown. >door --> van --> public transit --> van --> door Still works like this but once you take the train or bus outside of downtown, then you're back on your own for the "last miles" except for a few other non-contiguous neighborhoods where they are beginning to add additional cells of this limited-area connector service. This has been willingly subsidized by the major businesses in each service area, so it is free to use on its own, once you get onto the regular public transit though, then normal fares apply there. |
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| ▲ | fuzzfactor 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some of the greatest breakthroughs are when there is no financial incentive, or when unbridled ambition outperforms sometimes very significant runs for the cash. | |
| ▲ | delis-thumbs-7e 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There’s physics for one. The dough takes the temperature and time it takes to bake in the oven, the rocket needs certain ampunt of propulsion to fly etc. | | |
| ▲ | _puk 2 days ago | parent [-] | | So, the "it'll get better" is the robot pizza learning. There's no reason it won't improve because we know that there is actually a world in which amazing pizzas exist. Teleporters seems a rather random comparison for the sibling reply | | |
| ▲ | delis-thumbs-7e 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I talked about rockets, not ”teleporters”. I also let aside that these systems do not learn, let’s pretend they do. What will it improve in? What does it mean to ”improve”? Ask yourself, what makes the difference between an amazing pizza and kinda ok pizza? How do you quantify that? Is it a binary value the way a mathematic formula either works or doesn’t, or how code runs or does not? Or is it more like poetry? kinda hard to srite into code when something that is literally a matter of taste is ”good”. Maybe it doesn’t really matter, Marinara is pretty easy to make, 5 ingredients in an oven. Can we improve upen speed, like they say on the article? Up to a point yes, but there’s a bottleneck, the dough itself. It takes certain amount of time to make it into a oval shape, you can’t go too fast, since you break it. And then it has to be in the oven a certain amount of time, no matter what. That has nothing to do with automation, but the physical facts of the matter itself. Now you have an average pizza that cost a fortune to make, but we accomplished it slightly faster than $10/h pizza chef. You see why those startups all fold? | | |
| ▲ | _puk a day ago | parent [-] | | What makes an amazing coffee? That's a truly dialled in experience based on many iterations and fine control of input factors. That's the parallel I'm envisaging. Robo pizza doesn't need to mean 30 second pizza. Just a perfect pizza at the end of the process with no humans involved. I see that as infinitely achievable. |
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| ▲ | AndrewDucker 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's a financial incentive to invent teleporters, and yet... | |
| ▲ | pseudohadamard 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because some startup that's managed to cobble together a pizza-extruding machine that works when 20 technicians are standing around it carefully watching is not something whose future success you want to bet your business on? |
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| ▲ | dakolli 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I prefer when people employ their fellow neighbors and uplift their community with their enterprises. This type of automation is inherently selfish and should be discouraged, im glad he lost 200k, that 200k could have been used to help employee a few college students who would go onto provide way more value to their community than a robot ever would. Honestly if you see a company with robots like this, they hate their communities and are inherently selfish and greedy. Do not support them. |
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| ▲ | card_zero 2 days ago | parent [-] | | The article makes it sound like Lee Kindell is replacing himself, not employees: he "once made all his dough by hand – until an elbow tendon injury forced him to investigate using machines instead". Then he got two robots. But you might question why they had to be robots, that part is unexplained. Later on he suggests he can employ people serving the pizza instead and in this way get a higher pizza throughput. Though in fact his robots are broken due support vanishing vaporously so presumably at present he either does indeed employ some humans, or produces no pizza except imaginary future autonomous pizza, which is coming soon, just a matter of time. |
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