| ▲ | testing22321 3 hours ago |
| I got malaria twice in Africa. First time bad, second time REAL bad. I thought about death a little. There was a good story of a Dutchman living in Mali who got malaria a few times (everyone does). It’s manageable with the meds. Anyway he flies home, then develops symptoms. Goes to hospital and they freak. Full hazmat suits, isolation, doctors visiting from all over because they’d never seen it. Guy ends up dying because they wouldn’t give him the meds, because they didn’t know if it was safe, or what the right thing to do was. Moral of the story is that for anyone spending time in malaria zones, take the meds home with you. If you get symptomatic, take the meds and maybe not go to hospital in the developed world.
Meds I took was “coartem” and an injectable. |
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| ▲ | roncesvalles 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I have a feeling this is exactly what happened in Frankfurt. It very glaringly points to some failure in the healthcare system. Healthy working adults with access to healthcare don't just die of malaria. Two deaths means it's not some unique susceptibility in one individual either. The more interesting investigation would be how the system let two people die of malaria, not how malaria got there. |
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| ▲ | codethief an hour ago | parent [-] | | > It very glaringly points to some failure in the healthcare system. Does it? "Have you been near the equator recently?" is a rather common question that GPs ask when you go see them with high fever. Doctors in Germany are absolutely aware of malaria, given how much we like to travel to all those beautiful, but unfortunately malaria-ridden countries. The only thing, of course, is: That question wouldn't have helped here. However, this[0] source says airport staff are made aware of the possibility of contracting malaria and are told to watch out for symptoms. [0]: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/hessen/malaria-am-... | | |
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| ▲ | fma 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Kind of similar to rabies. If you get bit by a rabid animal in an area with lots of rabies, the doctors know what to do and you get meds immediately for cheap. In the US it's a few thousand dollars for the treatment. |
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| ▲ | mimischi 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I thought anything in the US is ridiculous amounts of money, when it’s related to health/hospital. | | |
| ▲ | matt_heimer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's wildly inconsistent. Surgeries, hospitalizations and specialists are mostly ridiculous. You can find affordable general/nurse practitioners if you know where to look and what to ask for. Call around and ask "What is your self cash pay cost?". Most people don't know to ask that and if you don't speak the magic phrase then you get billed at the rate the office would normally charge insurance. Not all places have self pay discounts. Some states have special programs for hospitals but they vary wildly by state and you have to know how to navigate that particular program and be very patient. Some are need based so if you are above a pretty low income threshold you won't qualify. | | | |
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| ▲ | ipsod 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's really not, for common/minor issues. I use a little cash-pay clinic in a MCOL area and mostly spend <$100, never over $200, per visit. Also, my wife recently had some major dental work done, and it was about $350. All of this without getting insurance involved. There are definitely ways to rack up big bills fast, though, just by being unlucky. | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > cash-pay clinic I’ve never heard of this. Private practice? If so, count your blessings until they get hoovered up by PE and quadruple their prices overnight. | | |
| ▲ | kotaKat an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not quite PE (yet); doctors are getting annoyed themselves at how healthcare is playing out. Picture things like electronically messaging your doctor now has convoluted billing behind each conversation now based on the level of effort the doctor has to put in. They're getting annoyed now that they've been bought out by hospital systems and been working underneath them for a while doing family practices and other healthcare services. The paychecks were good, but the red tape got annoying over the years. So they exit the whole system and go to a direct "you pay me monthly for access" model. Hundred bucks a person or so per month, factor a ~25% discount for families. Doc gets to keep a cap on the limit of incoming patients to manage their own day pretty nicely while getting a recurring stream of cash paid direct to him. Even better if your wife's also a doctor (hey, healthcare partners run together a lot!), you just band together, see 5-600 patients a month as a couple, and pull in a decent $million or so on a fairly light workload and selling extra things like GLP-1s and wellness programs for a year's work. Triple-points if you're doing this in rural America - that million might not be a lot to the big techies out there, but that's big bucks that go far in some really nice places tucked away in the trees and forests. You still need insurance for the rest of the 'stuff' they don't do, but some of these DPCs are doing everything they can in house (like prescribing and dispensing generics at the office directly in a single visit to lower your extra out of pocket costs). If you're on a high deductible healthcare plan with an HSA and an employer contributing healthily into it, these direct-patient-care clinics may be an attractive option if you're reasonably healthy and young. | |
| ▲ | ipsod 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, private practice. |
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| ▲ | tekla 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not, you're being lied to. | |
| ▲ | datakan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You thought wrong |
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| ▲ | 0x262d 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How could two people die from it in Germany with modern medicine? Is malaria randomly fatal despite treatment, or did they not understand what the infection was or not seek treatment or something? |
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| ▲ | Tangurena2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Globally in 2024, there were an estimated 282 million malaria cases and 610,000 malaria deaths in 80 countries https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/malaria One question that gets asked is "have you traveled to another country?" When the answer is "no", then doctors no longer consider diseases that exist in other countries. So that is why they did not understand the parasitic infection until it was too late. Some of the early symptoms resemble a bad cold. The parasite that causes malaria (literally "bad air") can only survive in certain species of mosquitos. Those skeeters don't live in Germany. They used to live in the state I live in, but they were exterminated back in the 1950s & 1960s (thanks DDT!). And people from West Africa were naturally/genetically resistant, which was why slaves from that region were preferred over every other race in the southern US where malaria existed until the 1950s & 1960s. If you have 0 copies of the gene then you usually die (of malaria) before puberty. If you have 2 copies of the gene, then you die from sickle cell anemia (usually by your teen years). If you have 1 copy of that gene (another commenter used the term "heterozygote") then the parasite can't live in some of your red blood cells, so you survive to have children. Germany never had it, and reported being malaria free in 1964. America, in 1970. https://www.who.int/teams/global-malaria-programme/eliminati... | | |
| ▲ | kevin_thibedeau 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Malaria covered the entire eastern US (creeping into parts of Canada) and most of Europe in the 19th century. | |
| ▲ | stephenhuey an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some good info, but some kind of simplistic. I lived in Nigeria for the second half of my childhood in the 80s and 90s and got malaria several times. People come down with it all the time, and typically treat it, and you can recover without treatment also. Most people die from sickle cell anemia when young, but I know multiple outliers who have lived to middle age, and they might live longer yet. It's easy to test for malaria, if you actually think to test for malaria. In the 90s, we used to hear wild stories from people we knew who would come down with malaria shortly after returning to the USA and doctors and nurses would freak out not knowing what to do about it, and the medication would be expensive to obtain, so the conventional wisdom was also to remember to take a few pills with you on the plane back to the USA! It's sad but unsurprising that no one was able to treat these German workers in time. When I was a child, there was already talk of strains developing resistance, and this has gotten worse in the 21st century, and the airport workers caught the most deadly strain: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/27/malaria-outbre... | | |
| ▲ | codethief 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > It's sad but unsurprising that no one was able to treat these German workers in time. Literally every pharmacy over here sells treatment against malaria – many have it in stock and even if they don't, they'll be able to get it for you within a few hours. Every major city (certainly every city with an airport where you could catch airport malaria) has a hospital with a department specifically for infectious and tropical diseases, where they'll happily take care of you. GPs ask you if you've been to the equator lately if you go see them with high fever. I'm not sure how a country where malaria is not common at all would be able to do any better? Also, as I mentioned in another comment, airport staff are instructed to watch out for malaria symptoms precisely because airport malaria is a thing. Something definitely went wrong here but from afar it surely doesn't look like a healthcare failure to me. Maybe the deceased stayed home, thinking they had caught a cold and would be able to sit it out? |
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| ▲ | spankibalt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From the article: "It [the Robert Koch Institute] said laboratory tests to determine the source of the infections were not expected to be available for several weeks. [...] The [Robert Koch] institute said malaria in Germany almost exclusively affects long-haul travellers who were infected in malaria-endemic areas, and that malaria transmitted within a German airport is rare. 'The lack of a travel history can lead to a delayed diagnosis. A delayed diagnosis increases the risk of a severe course of the diseases,' the institute said in its epidemiological bulletin." | | |
| ▲ | codethief 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > laboratory tests to determine the source of the infections were not expected to be available for several weeks Note that this about DNA tests & analysis to determine the origin of the malaria/the mosquitos, not about simple tests for the disease. |
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| ▲ | testing22321 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cerebral malaria is fatal with no treatment in many cases. For kids and elderly it’s fatal even with. Likely this happened because they have no expertise and didn’t know what to do. Imagine if you showed up in a hospital in the us with a sting from some super intense scorpion that only exists is some obscure part of the world. They’ll try to help, but likely can’t do much. | | |
| ▲ | vezycash 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nigerian here, cerebral malaria is very curable. It's very common and people survive. | | |
| ▲ | testing22321 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sorry I wasn’t more clear. I meant with no treatment it is often fatal. Almost certainly do for kids and elderly with no treatment. |
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| ▲ | palijer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is one of the reasons why diverse medical teams and having nurses/doctors/pharmacists etc from other countries is a great idea. |
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| ▲ | bauruine 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Doesn't the Netherlands have some sort of institute of tropical medicine which deals with exactly those cases? |
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| ▲ | Tangurena2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If the airport workers had travelled to another country, their doctors would have looked for tropical/travel diseases. Usually, it is through shipping containers where unwanted insects cross borders. That's how murder hornets and flying cockroaches got into the US. | | |
| ▲ | bauruine 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm asking about the Dutchman story the parent wrote. I can hardly believe it tbh. Even if the Netherlands don't have specialized personel, Hamburg is just a 5 hour drive away and Antwerp even closer. |
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| ▲ | brokencipher 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe you're thinking about the The Institute of Tropical Medicine in Antwerp/Belgium? | | |
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| ▲ | 0bytes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you go to a Malaria zone, talk to your doctor to get Malarone and use it prophylactic (depending on the region) |
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| ▲ | pton_xd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Doxycycline can also be used. I took doxycycline monohydrate daily for a month and had no observable impact on my digestion, which surprised me. | |
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| ▲ | testing22321 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was there for years, you can’t take malarias that long. | | |
| ▲ | hilariously 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | And some of them have Super powerful side effects - I had a 3 day violent psychotic break I have no memory of, but I did get to wake up strapped to a bed! | | |
| ▲ | foobiekr 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Malarone gave me insane almost-kindof-sortof waking dreams of concerning character. I have never had anything like that before or since. | | |
| ▲ | codethief 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Malarone? Interesting, because that's supposed to be the prophylactic therapy with the mildest side effects. I have taken it many times and have never had any, and – up until now – I had also never heard of anyone having some. |
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| ▲ | jeffrallen 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I saw the same thing happen in Leeds. A friend came back to her public health program after Christmas in Zimbabwe. The NHS was dragging their feet, like, "oh, we need to get a specialists opinion before we can even draw blood, then it has to be sent to the school of tropical medicine, that will be a few days, etc". Her African friends (and a European friend that worked in Africa for MSF) had to explain malaria to the hospital and beg them to just get her started on an artemsin compound while they were wasting time wondering how to test for it. |
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| ▲ | morkalork 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The author of the book Mother Nature is Trying to Kill You had a story like that; he managed to pick up a parasitic fly infection while abroad and had to convince health care workers to cut out the larvae from under his skin. |
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| ▲ | coryrc an hour ago | parent [-] | | Botfly. Don't cut, they dig deeper. The proper solution is a thick layer of petroleum jelly over your skin. The larva has to come up to breathe eventually (~hours). Use tweezers and grab it. Gross, but perfectly safe. | | |
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